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    Posted: August 23 2021 at 15:45
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

A side note about Schönberg: What very few people know is that he also did paintings (mostly self-portraits). Jean and I once were at an exhibition of his paintings.

Here is one of his self-portraits:



I had no idea about that aspect of Schoenberg. Lovely.
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A side note about Schönberg: What very few people know is that he also did paintings (mostly self-portraits). Jean and I once were at an exhibition of his paintings.

Here is one of his self-portraits:




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^ Thanks! Will look into this one.

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ The Schoenberg one interests me. Do you have more information on that one, a reference?
Sure. The one I have is Schoenberg conducting Pierrot Lunaire originally pubished on CBS records in 1951-transferred to tape from lacquers in that year, reissued on cd on "CBS Records-Masterworks Portrait" in 1989. CBS MPK 45695  Recitation is by Erika Stiedry-Wagner. Also on the cd is the Trio for Violin, Viola/Bratsche/alto and Cello,  Op. 45, recorded in 1966.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I know Mahler conducted himself, but there are apparently no recordings of this.
What we do have are piano rolls from the first decade of the 20th Century, where he is playing part of a movement from his 4th and 5th Symphonies, but on piano, only.

Yes, I know. There is some device with which you could record every nuance of someone playing piano.


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^ The Schoenberg one interests me. Do you have more information on that one, a reference?

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I meant to mention that I have also heard recordings of Jean Sibelius, Sergei Rachmaninoff, and Arnold Schoenberg conducting their own music.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

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This cd set mentions a fragment of a Love Duet from Tristan conducted by Richard Wagner in 1880; it used to be on youtube, but I think it is gone from there, but here is the cd cover, itself.

Well, I sincerely put in doubt the veracity of that claim of Grammofono, who put out this cd. Partly because of Wagner's health conditions in his last years, partly because the performance history of Tristan und Isolde (but I'm not a Wagner specialist), but especially because of the state of recording techniques in 1882, 1883... Nothing is impossible, but it seems really very highly unlikely to me.
Nothing is etched in stone, I realise, but Thomas Edison invented the cylinder in 1877, and patented it in 1878, so it could have happened. 


I thought it would not be too difficult to find out more about this recording... Apparently, this cylinder was recorded in 1903. You can read more about it in Jonathan Brown's book on Great Wagner Conductors here. This Grammofono disc is mentioned here.
Conducted by Lionel Mapleson. I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying this correctly for me.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:


This cd set mentions a fragment of a Love Duet from Tristan conducted by Richard Wagner in 1880; it used to be on youtube, but I think it is gone from there, but here is the cd cover, itself.

Well, I sincerely put in doubt the veracity of that claim of Grammofono, who put out this cd. Partly because of Wagner's health conditions in his last years, partly because the performance history of Tristan und Isolde (but I'm not a Wagner specialist), but especially because of the state of recording techniques in 1882, 1883... Nothing is impossible, but it seems really very highly unlikely to me.
Nothing is etched in stone, I realise, but Thomas Edison invented the cylinder in 1877, and patented it in 1878, so it could have happened. 


I thought it would not be too difficult to find out more about this recording... Apparently, this cylinder was recorded in 1903. You can read more about it in Jonathan Brown's book on Great Wagner Conductors here. This Grammofono disc is mentioned here.

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John Williams conducting The Imperial March from Star Wars. Heart
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

 
This cd set mentions a fragment of a Love Duet from Tristan conducted by Richard Wagner in 1880; it used to be on youtube, but I think it is gone from there, but here is the cd cover, itself.

Well, I sincerely put in doubt the veracity of that claim of Grammofono, who put out this cd. Partly because of Wagner's health conditions in his last years, partly because the performance history of Tristan und Isolde (but I'm not a Wagner specialist), but especially because of the state of recording techniques in 1882, 1883... Nothing is impossible, but it seems really very highly unlikely to me.
Nothing is etched in stone, I realise, but Thomas Edison invented the cylinder in 1877, and patented it in 1878, so it could have happened. 
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

 
This cd set mentions a fragment of a Love Duet from Tristan conducted by Richard Wagner in 1880; it used to be on youtube, but I think it is gone from there, but here is the cd cover, itself.

Well, I sincerely put in doubt the veracity of that claim of Grammofono, who put out this cd. Partly because of Wagner's health conditions in his last years, partly because the performance history of Tristan und Isolde (but I'm not a Wagner specialist), but especially because of the state of recording techniques in 1882, 1883... Nothing is impossible, but it seems really very highly unlikely to me.

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John Barry conducting the James Bond theme. Heart

Thanks for that, Paul.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Stravinsky! 

In rock music, the only example I can think of is Frank Zappa, who used to get upset when some folks were not listening to the music and only wanted a guitar solo. He would put down the guitar and take up the baton ... and I think he was wielding that as well as any conductor probably could!

Stravinsky conducting Stravinsky is quite interesting......yeah, who could overlook Zappa! What a unique person, he was.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Ian Anderson never conducted a symphony, but he didn't need to. Tull keyboardist David (Dee) Palmer, a classically trained musician from the Royal Academy of Music (and appointed as a Fellow of the Academy in the 90s), did all the many orchestral arrangements for Tull from Stand Up onward. 

Here is Palmer's superb adaptation of "War Child" with the London Symphony Orchestra:


Hey, thanks, that is pretty cool. Orchestral arrangements of Tull are new to me.
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I know Mahler conducted himself, but there are apparently no recordings of this.
What we do have are piano rolls from the first decade of the 20th Century, where he is playing part of a movement from his 4th and 5th Symphonies, but on piano, only.
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

I know of some 20th century/contemporary composers: Hanns Eisler (on the "Historic Recordings/Historische Aufnahmen" series), Pierre Boulez, Bruno Mantovani (D'un rêve parti).
I have several discs with Boulez conducting Boulez: Répons, Messagesquisse/Anthèmes 2, Le marteau sans maître and Dérive 1 & 2 (for an example see Dérive 2...).
Interesting; I have always wondered what Boulez conducting Boulez would sound like...
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This cd set mentions a fragment of a Love Duet from Tristan conducted by Richard Wagner in 1880; it used to be on youtube, but I think it is gone from there, but here is the cd cover, itself.


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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:


Btw: Recordings with Wagner??


That would be world news! But highly unlikely. Although experimentation with sound recordings began in the1850s, as far as I know the first recordings of music that we know of are from 1888 (The Lost Chord played by unknown musicians) and 1889: Brahms playing his Hungarian Dance on piano (see here). So, that would be a couple of years after Wagner's death...


I think he might have confused him with Richard Wagner's son Siegfried. He did some composing himself, and he is very likely to have recorded some of his father's work too - as part of the Bayreuther Festspiel.

No, the man himself recorded a cylinder in 1880 as is released on this Grammofono cd, along with the later recordings conducted by his son, Siegfried!

SIEGFRIED & RICHARD Wagner Conducts Wagner: Recordings from Tristan Und Isolde.. - EUR 41,28 | PicClick FR



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