What do you guys think of "The Final Cut"

Progishness wrote: octopus-4 wrote: What TFC really misses is some Richard Wright, otherwise it would have been a great Floyd album. But if you start from Southampton Dock until the title track, that's a true Pink Floyd epic.   Yup, and The Wall also suffers to an extent from what I term 'lack of Rick' - his keyboards have always been an integral part of the classic Floydian sound, probably as much so as DG's guitar (not to mention the Waters-Mason rhythm section underpinning everything).

Exactly what I think about those two albums too. I guess AMLoR actually suffers the same fate.

... but without Gilmour and Mason?

I do like TFC, tho when recently listened to it for the first time in a while it did strike me how much it is practically a Roger solo album in all but name.

^'Pros and Cons' is the one Waters album I cannot make head or tale of - for me it falls into the category of 'is it an under appreciated work of obscure genius, or is it pretentious tripe?'.  Radio KAOS and the stuff he did for 'When the Wind Blows' are a massive improvement (IMO), and Amused to Death probably his best solo work by far. His most recent album tho sounded to me like a box ticking exercise.

octopus-4 wrote: What TFC really misses is some Richard Wright, otherwise it would have been a great Floyd album. But if you start from Southampton Dock until the title track, that's a true Pink Floyd epic.

It's a great album. The Gunner's Dream, The Fletcher Memorial Home and the title track are fantastic, as good as some of their best material. 

Edited by tdfloyd - May 09 2021 at 19:47

jude111 wrote: Dellinger wrote: I have not really understood the love the last Waters album has got. It certainly has some Floyd elements... but it sounds like a stripped down Floyd album, taking out the instrumental sections, and it's a perfect way to show how the rest of the band would come in and make Roger's ideas and songs complete. It's like we got a second rate Sheep, a second rate Have a Cigar, and so on. As far as I'm concerned, I liked Rattle that Lock from Gilmour much better (overall, my favourite Gilmour album, actually). That surprises me that you don't like Waters' last album; I thought you'd have loved it. On the other hand, I can't even listen to Rattle That Lock. That one was a massive disapointment to me, especially after On an Island was so excellent. I figured Floyd's members didn't have anything left in the tank, until I was greatly surprised by Waters' album. I just didn't expect such a brilliant return to form from Waters. I'm hoping for another album from him and Radiohead producer Nigel Godrich.

For me, that Waters latest album sounds like second rate uninspired Floyd, clicking his boxes by the numbers... as far as his contributions to the band are. But just because of that, it misses the presence of David and Rick even more. As far as Rattle that Lock, yeah, I know it might not have the brilliance and spark and novelty thing other albums from any Floyd guy might have, it's just a collection of songs not trying to go by old glories nor anything... but all of those songs are beautiful and enjoyable as far as I'm concerned, while many other albums by any of them might have a greater amount of songs that I don't care about. As far as On an Island, I do consider, in theory, that it's a better album... as a whole, not as a collection of songs, but many of those songs don't stand so well by themselves, and the album is a bit too mellow, so you must be in a mood to apreciate it. Also, I like it so much better live, it just comes to a brighter life (and the addition of Wright on all the songs, as well as the Pink Floyd backing band from their last tour, actually makes it seem like a lost Floyd album). By the way, having played more (or all) of Waters last album live might have helped it a good deal; one of my favourites on the album is Picture That... but the live version just brings it to higher point, filling the sounds that were missing on the studio album... and having the rest of the songs played that way could very easily have made for a much better listening experience.

Edited by Dellinger - May 08 2021 at 00:10

Dellinger wrote: I have not really understood the love the last Waters album has got. It certainly has some Floyd elements... but it sounds like a stripped down Floyd album, taking out the instrumental sections, and it's a perfect way to show how the rest of the band would come in and make Roger's ideas and songs complete. It's like we got a second rate Sheep, a second rate Have a Cigar, and so on. As far as I'm concerned, I liked Rattle that Lock from Gilmour much better (overall, my favourite Gilmour album, actually).

Edited by jude111 - May 06 2021 at 10:37

moshkito wrote: Dellinger wrote: ^ Yeah, I think that was one of Gilmour's complaints about the album. He thought that if the songs weren't enough to be on The Wall, then why should be good enough for the new album. However, as far as I'm concerned, there are a few songs that would have been a great addition on The Wall album. Hi, Some of the stuff that was in that album was actually a part of the original WALL which had about 15 minutes taken out ... presumably to make sure that all of it could fit into 2 albums! If you take the story material from that album, you will find that they fit into the story of the original ... and Roger never really explained that, and I do not think he will ... he knows that the story got screwed up, but he's not going to say that the record company told them they had to make sure it fit 2 albums! There is just too much ... hidden that we can not see!

I actually have an ITunes list with my favourite songs from The Final Cut mixed into The Wall (my favourites from it), and they indeed fit perfectly together.