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    Posted: December 29 2020 at 03:21
1) What is your favorite Italian novel of the twentieth century? ANY NOVELS BY UMBERTO ECO AND PIER PAOLO PASOLINI.

2) If you have two or three novels that you really like, please write them down in order of preference. And one last thing, if you can, explain why.
NONE IN PARTICULAR.
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3) Have any of you read Italo Svevo's "La coscienza di Zeno" (Zeno's conscience)? In Italy it is considered the most beautiful and important novel of the twentieth century (and I agree). NO.

4) Have any of you read any novel or theatre play by Luigi Pirandello? NO.

5) And have any of you ever read some novel by Carlo Emilio Gadda? NO.

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My top 25:


FIVE STARS SHINING:
  1. La coscienza di Zeno – Italo Svevo

  2. Il male oscuro – Giuseppe Berto

  3. Il gattopardo – Tomasi di Lampedusa


FIVE STARS:

  1. Il giorno della civetta - Leonardo Sciascia

  2. Il quinto evangelio – Mario Pomilio

  3. Sostiene Pereira - Antonio Tabucchi

  4. Il nome della Rosa – Umberto Eco


4 STARS AND A HALF


  1. Il bell’Antonio – Vitaliano Brancati

  2. Teorema – Pier Paolo Pasolini

  3. Todo modo – Leonardo Sciascia


11. La tregua – Primo Levi

12.Il sentiero dei nidi di ragno - Italo Calvino

13. Oceano mare – Alessandro Baricco


FOUR STARS


14. Il codice di Perelà – Aldo Palazzeschi

15. Kaputt - Curzio Malaparte

16. Quer pasticciaccio brutto de via Merulana - Carlo Emilio Gadda

17. Libera Nos a Malo - Luigi Meneghello

18. Metello - Vasco Pratolini

19.Il sistema periodico - Primo Levi

20. Cristo si è fermato ad Eboli - Carlo Levi

21. Le città Invisibili - Calvino

22.Il fu Mattia Pascal – Luigi Pirandello

23. Se una notte di inverno un viaggiatore - Italo Calvino

24. Gente in Aspromonte – Corrado Alvaro

25. I miei sette figli - Alcide Cervi




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Based on Raff’s recommendations, I will check out Verga’s short stories. I have always loved the opera Cavalleria Rusticana, so this should interest me.

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Thank you both, Lorenzo and Raff, with a PS to Dark Elf

Lorenzo:  Yes, the Decameron is certainly old! I enjoy reading old things and know of the three Tuscan authors, a bit of what their works are about, but cannot say I've read them.  Looking forward to reading "Zeno's Conscience," it is very different from what I usually read (from what I've gathered), but a change of pace is always welcome.

Raff:  Will certainly take up your first suggestion, I did recognize the name from the film (which I didn't see, but had thought to be a good one to catch, when I could).  I'm very intrigued by the Verga book as well, from your suggestion and there goes my sad, ever-emptying wallet, once again.  CrySmile

PS:  Dark Elf, I do have a copy of "The Name of the Rose," in my to-read stack, which keeps growing no matter how much I continue reading.....I will get to it in book form, I am certain.


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum and The Name of the Rose are sublime. Two of my favorites from the 20th century.
Italo Calvino's If on a winter's night a traveler is a great slice of post-modernism.

Italo Calvino is very famous in Italy and in the world... It's a classic!

He wrote a lot of fables for children and adults, and he is son of scientists. He liked Borges, and his conception
of novel, an interlocking, combinatorial, almost mathematical, metaliterary literature. The novel you cite, which is one of the last, is also very beautiful in my opinion, it is his longest and most elaborate novel. Calvino, in fact, has never written very long novels, he was more a writer of short stories and in fact that work brings together many short stories, which are many novel beginnings.

He tried to write fantastic novels, such as Invisible Cities, where he describes the cities that Marco Polo visited in China, inventing cities with very strange characteristics, or in another novel, he managed to tell a story by following the tarot cards.

Calvino is one of the most widely read authors at school, and after the three I mentioned he is considered among the best. It is always very accessible, linear, clear.

Umberto Eco was a literary case in Italy with his first two novels, which you quote. I liked the Name of the Rose very much, Foucault's Pendulum less, but it remains a good novel. I started reading his other works but I abandoned them, starting from the third novel in my opinion he did not make any great book but in reality he has been very successful with each of his novels, and abroad more than in Italy.

I don't think there is any doubt that Eco's first 2 novels Foucault's Pendulum and The Name of the Rose  were his best, although I did like later novels Baudolino and The Prague Cemetery as well (just not on the same stature of the others). As a medievalist, I consider Il nome della rosa the best novel of the 14th century I have ever read. I do enjoy Eco because I learn something new every re-reading (the sheer amount of allusions and obscure references are akin to reading James Joyce). I also find his treatises on semiotics fascinating as well.


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I hardly ever log in anymore these days, because my interest in prog has waned considerably, and too many of the non-music threads have been taken over by people who - to be charitable - are in dire need of help. However, this thread was too interesting to miss, and so here I am. Obviously, like Lorenzo I am a native speaker of Italian, and so I am able to read every suggestion in the original - which is always the best thing, though not feasible for most people here. Though I wouldn't call myself an expert in Italian 20th-century fiction, I have read my fair share, and am glad to add my own recommendations to Lorenzo's.

First of all, grab a copy of Carlo Levi's Christ Stopped at Eboli (Cristo si è fermato a Eboli), which is probably my favourite novel in Italian. Though strictly speaking not a novel, and definitely not a work of fiction (it is autobiographical), it is absolutely riveting, and essential reading to anyone interested in the recent history of Italy. The film based on the novel is none too shabby either, and was filmed on location. Speaking of cinema, Il gattopardo (The Leopard) by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa is another favourite of mine, also recommended to anyone interested in history. Visconti's movie starring Burt Lancaster is good, but the book is better. Both these books are set in Southern Italy, and deal with some of the issues that are widely known as "questione meridionale" (the Southern problem). Pirandello's short stories set in his native Sicily also belong to this subgenre of Italian fiction, so to speak. In terms of fiction set in Sicily, however, in my view nothing is better than Giovanni Verga's I Malavoglia (The House by the Medlar Tree), which was published in 1881. It is extremely depressing, but beautiful. Verga's short stories - which include Cavalleria rusticana, familiar to opera fans - are also well worth a read.

On the other hand, I have to admit I am not a fan of La coscienza di Zeno, but I have to agree with Lorenzo that it is too important to miss. 


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Nice thread, although I've got to admit that I don't read much, much less than I'd like to (at least if it's not work related), and I tend to read more history books than novels. I'd nominate the Invisible Cities as my number one, but this is maybe out of just 10-15 Italian novels I read. I did read Pirandello's Uno Nessuno e Centomila though, quite interesting, although I've got to say that when I read it my Italian was probably not good enough, so I had the feeling that I miss quite a bit of the subtlety. I should maybe read it again now. I enjoyed a few crime novels by Gianrico Carofiglio and Andrea Camillieri. When it comes to history books, Gaetano Salvemini's Origini del fascismo in Italia has impressed me a lot. 
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I am ashamed to say that I don't know any modern Italian novels, but have just ordered a copy (in English) of "Zeno's Conscience."  I did love the film of "The Name of the Rose," from some years ago and have read "The Decameron," back in World Lit class in high school.  Thank you for a suggestion of more reading and expanding my boundaries.

uhhhh, Decameron !!!

It is one of the firsts book written in Italian .... It is an ancient Italian!

In that era, Italy was not a nation, it was divided in a lot a states, and every district had his own language, or dialect.

Latin was the official language but only educated people knew it.

Then comes Dante Alighieri, Francesco Petrarca, and Giovanni Boccaccio, three men from Tuscany, and they adopt their dialect, not Latin, to write their operas, and the Italian language was born.

Zeno's Consciece is a wonderful novel! Humorous.

It is the first European novel about psycho-analysis. His author, Italo Svevo (real name Ettore Schmitz) was a friend of James Joyce.




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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum and The Name of the Rose are sublime. Two of my favorites from the 20th century.
Italo Calvino's If on a winter's night a traveler is a great slice of post-modernism.

Italo Calvino is very famous in Italy and in the world... It's a classic!

He wrote a lot of fables for children and adults, and he is son of scientists. He liked Borges, and his conception
of novel, an interlocking, combinatorial, almost mathematical, metaliterary literature. The novel you cite, which is one of the last, is also very beautiful in my opinion, it is his longest and most elaborate novel. Calvino, in fact, has never written very long novels, he was more a writer of short stories and in fact that work brings together many short stories, which are many novel beginnings.

He tried to write fantastic novels, such as Invisible Cities, where he describes the cities that Marco Polo visited in China, inventing cities with very strange characteristics, or in another novel, he managed to tell a story by following the tarot cards.

Calvino is one of the most widely read authors at school, and after the three I mentioned he is considered among the best. It is always very accessible, linear, clear.

Umberto Eco was a literary case in Italy with his first two novels, which you quote. I liked the Name of the Rose very much, Foucault's Pendulum less, but it remains a good novel. I started reading his other works but I abandoned them, starting from the third novel in my opinion he did not make any great book but in reality he has been very successful with each of his novels, and abroad more than in Italy.



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I am ashamed to say that I don't know any modern Italian novels, but have just ordered a copy (in English) of "Zeno's Conscience."  I did love the film of "The Name of the Rose," from some years ago and have read "The Decameron," back in World Lit class in high school.  Thank you for a suggestion of more reading and expanding my boundaries.
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Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum and The Name of the Rose are sublime. Two of my favorites from the 20th century.
Italo Calvino's If on a winter's night a traveler is a great slice of post-modernism.
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1) What is your favorite Italian novel of the twentieth century?

2) If you have two or three novels that you really like, please write them down in order of preference. And one last thing, if you can, explain why.

Other questions.

3) Have any of you read Italo Svevo's "La coscienza di Zeno" (Zeno's conscience)? In Italy it is considered the most beautiful and important novel of the twentieth century (and I agree).

4) Have any of you read any novel or theatre play by Luigi Pirandello?

5) And have any of you ever read some novel by Carlo Emilio Gadda?

These three writers, today, are considered by almost unanimity not only Italian but European critics to be the greatest Italian writers of the twentieth century.

Sorry for the many questions, but I'm curious to know what you read about Italian novels.


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