jethro tull (crest of a knave)

mellotronwave wrote: Trough of the (kn)wave perhaps ?

Cheers wrote: Octopus II wrote: Crest Of A Knave was certainly an improvement on the Under Wraps album.  That is quite a low bar!!!

Def one of my favourites - I think there's an undeniable 'sound' issue  - i.e. it has that awful 80's sheen, and of course the programmed drums (which can be great, but aren't here...) But, But, But - all the songs have staying power - in that odd snippets of them swirl around my head, even more basic songs like 'raising steam'  - 'I may not be coming back!' - so I find myself drawn to it/playing it and enjoying it more than my mind (which is VERY biased against the production sound) really wants!

I really like Part of the machine, Farm on the freeway, The waking edge.
Hopefully Wilson gets to this album and removes the reverb from Budapest . I’ll do my own remix on Dogs in the midwinter

It's easily my favorite Tull album since the 70s.  I played it a few weeks ago when I went on a Dire Straits jag. 

Cristi wrote: Logan wrote: Cristi wrote: A Crimson Mellotron wrote: Cristi wrote: A Crimson Mellotron wrote: A good album, but not as good as their 70s releases. Depends on what releases we're talking about. Even Tull had a couple of weak releases in the 70s.  Crest... is a solid release in their close to 20 years of existence (1987). Not good enough? Well, it wouldn't be in my top 5 (probably even top 7) Tull albums. maybe not top 5, but 7 JT albums better than this one, I'll probably disagree with your opinion here.  This boils down to taste, and as the saying goes "In matters of taste, there can be no disputes." I found 1976's Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die! to be poor, but if another finds that to be one of JT's best, well, there's no accounting for tastes. Best commonly is used in such a subjective manner (a reason why I am more likely to use the word favourite is such topics). obviously a matter of taste, when and how did I say it is not?!

I didn't mean to say or even imply that you did, Cristi. I'm just adding to the discussion in my own way. Sorry if I present my intent (and ideas commonly) unclearly (I do have neurological issues that people should be aware of that makes it harder to discuss ideas). Commonly in discussion ideas get explained further as need be. My thing is that there's commonly not much point or value in disagreeing on matters of taste from my perspective, and I tend to avoid terms such as best because it can confuse subjective notions with objective notions.

One person's opinion might be that slavery is a good thing, and that might come from a position of taste (a personal bias at least), but I would still disagree with it from my perspective and values (and by thinking from the slave's perspective). I will only agree that that is that person's opinion.

To use a variant, adjacent example (not saying this is the same, but this kind of thing has happened to me):

If I say "My favourite Jethro Tull is Benefit" and another says "I disagree with you. Thick as a Brick is the best", well there's been some kind of a miscommunication as we are at cross-purposes. I, in this case, never said that it was the best even if it's best for me, and it would be silly to disagree that Benefit is not my favourite (unless one has reason to think that I am intending to deceive or be/am mistaken).

I often use other's ideas as a jumping off point for my own, and sometimes people take that to mean that I'm implying an intent or judgment of what others write that is not my intent. Many of us use language a little differently, make different assumptions, and take different approaches when exploring ideas, which can make dialectic harder and less fun or enjoyable. I know I have got things wrong and have misunderstood intent at times and will continue to do so. I know I need to be a little more patient, charitable, good-humored and nuanced. The forum discussion is at its best for me when are not only actively engaging with people's ideas, but we're building on those, synthesising ideas, learning to appreciate different perspectives, learning from each other, employing a level of empathy, approaching consensus, and laughing together of course.

Edited by Logan - December 28 2020 at 15:33

Cristi wrote: A Crimson Mellotron wrote: Cristi wrote: A Crimson Mellotron wrote: A good album, but not as good as their 70s releases. Depends on what releases we're talking about. Even Tull had a couple of weak releases in the 70s.  Crest... is a solid release in their close to 20 years of existence (1987). Not good enough? Well, it wouldn't be in my top 5 (probably even top 7) Tull albums. maybe not top 5, but 7 JT albums better than this one, I'll probably disagree with your opinion here.

This boils down to taste, and as the saying goes "In matters of taste, there can be no disputes."

I found 1976's Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die! to be poor, but if another finds that to be one of JT's best, well, there's no accounting for tastes. Best commonly is used in such a subjective manner (a reason why I am more likely to use the word favourite is such topics).

A Crimson Mellotron wrote: Cristi wrote: A Crimson Mellotron wrote: A good album, but not as good as their 70s releases. Depends on what releases we're talking about. Even Tull had a couple of weak releases in the 70s.  Crest... is a solid release in their close to 20 years of existence (1987). Not good enough? Well, it wouldn't be in my top 5 (probably even top 7) Tull albums.

A very solid but divergent album from Tull. The music was definitely written to fit Ian's vocal problems but seems to work extremely well. And I like Dire Straits so that I guess that helps. 4/5 stars.

A Crimson Mellotron wrote: A good album, but not as good as their 70s releases.