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HackettFan wrote:

Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Sacro_Porgo wrote:

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Sacro_Porgo wrote:

The only thing wrong with Nursery Cryme is Foxtrot turned out even better than it. Oh, and the production couldn't quite handle Steve's absolutely massive distortion.

I don't really hear any "massive distortion" on NC. What in particular are you referring to?

The Musical Box in particular. Steve's guitar parts are super loud and distorted.

What you're describing is a limitation of production and mixing, mostly due to clipping.

I also agree completely I can hear a lot of stuff on the remaster, because it's such a high quality rip from those master tapes! Smokey perfection.

I agree that Foxtrot is superior.

I agree it's really on the production end. The worst offender are the loud parts on Return of the Giant Hogweed. Phil Collins spoke once in an interview about the density of sound and not having room for the sound in that album. The band seem to have learned that they needed to write with production in mind. I don't like the writing changes and timbre changes they made on Foxtrot though. Personally, I rate Nursery Cryme higher than Foxtrot. That's me.

Oh I never meant to imply that it was on Steve's end. Definitely they just didn't have access to recording tech that could capture the sheer volume they were putting out, which leads to the clipping and distortion. Also after relistening the other day I found the heavy distorted parts of The Musical Box I was thinking of are probably Banks' organ/keys, which is the most metal I've ever heard him play, lol. \m/

Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)

Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Sacro_Porgo wrote:

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Sacro_Porgo wrote:

The only thing wrong with Nursery Cryme is Foxtrot turned out even better than it. Oh, and the production couldn't quite handle Steve's absolutely massive distortion.

I don't really hear any "massive distortion" on NC. What in particular are you referring to?

The Musical Box in particular. Steve's guitar parts are super loud and distorted.

What you're describing is a limitation of production and mixing, mostly due to clipping.

I also agree completely I can hear a lot of stuff on the remaster, because it's such a high quality rip from those master tapes! Smokey perfection.

I agree that Foxtrot is superior.

I agree it's really on the production end. The worst offender are the loud parts on Return of the Giant Hogweed. Phil Collins spoke once in an interview about the density of sound and not having room for the sound in that album. The band seem to have learned that they needed to write with production in mind. I don't like the writing changes and timbre changes they made on Foxtrot though. Personally, I rate Nursery Cryme higher than Foxtrot. That's me.

A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)

As a Botanist, any album that has a song that (correcetly, in Latin) namechecks a plant is great! Hogweed is one of the first of Genesis' satirical tracks and a great mix of the beginings of paranoia regarding 'invasive non native plants' (indeed more a topical subject today than ever) with 'Day of the Triffids' sci-fi.

Much of the 'Musical Box' was part of what the band termed 'The movement' which was written and/or jammed out in the period (at 'the Cottage') in the pre- Trespass 1969 period so would have been written in part by Antony Phillips.

Sacro_Porgo wrote:

The only thing wrong with Nursery Cryme is Foxtrot turned out even better than it. Oh, and the production couldn't quite handle Steve's absolutely massive distortion.

I don't really hear any "massive distortion" on NC. What in particular are you referring to?

^ Fountain of Salmacis is a banger of a song. Top tier Genesis.

Edited by Spacegod87 - December 09 2020 at 06:05

Levitating downwards,
atomic feedback scream.

progaardvark wrote:

Nursery Cryme is my personal favorite of Genesis. IMO, Harold the Barrel should have been released as a single.

I definitely agree, Harold the Barrel could have been a hit.

A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)

I had the cd but sold it. Trespass was really good and I was expecting a step up from that on this album but it was a step down. 2 new members changed the balance a bit. They got back on track with Foxtrot

All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.

Actually Genesis Live was the first prog album I bought and Musical Box helped me to recover from the Beatles.

PS: I must add than today I'm still in remission.

Hogweed is cool and Salmacis pretty good
The rest is ok. Bit dull and twee

Edited by dr prog - December 01 2020 at 11:53

All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.

An album that would define many other albums, in the gabriel era of the group.

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