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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29963 |
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my mistake although the thread had gone on to talking about Neo.
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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I never mentioned neo in my post. I just wrote Super Seven, my super seven of prog of the post-classic era. Shadowland nowadays are more darkwave than prog, closer to The Mission than Arena. As for Pallas and Pendragon, never liked them. I don't recognise hard rock and metal as useful tags anymore, as Arena are in some songs just as heavy as Threshold.
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I enjoy Pendragon for a couple of decades and stop recently but Jadis was a No from the start.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 44843 |
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All six of those bands you mentioned are everything I DO like about Neo Prog.
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Marillion, IQ and Arena first 3 for sure, but Galahad next. Pendragon and Jadis is what I don't like about Neo Prog.
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Back in the early noughties, I used to personally refer to these as the 'Big 6' of the UK Neo scene.. Marillion - IQ - Pendragon - Arena - Jadis - Pallas I doubt whether that would have meant anything to anyone else however, as Marillion had partly moved away in style and I'm sure other bands such as Landmarq, Galahad and Grey Lady Down might have had something to say on the matter...
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29963 |
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I would add Pendragon instead of Shadowland to make a 6 while the Threshold I know are Prog metal and nothing to do with Neo.
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There were Pink Floyd influences even on the debut album, especially Radioactive Toy. The music was progressive from the start, like you say, indie-psychedelia-space rock. Someone mixing genres like that, sounds like prog to me. ![]() True, nothing to do with neo-prog.
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Super Seven
Arena Jadis Threshold IQ Marilion (Fish era) Shadowland Twelfth Night
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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Back in the 90s, in the UK anyway, PT was SW's indie-psych-space-rock studio outfit. Nothing at all to do with prog or neo prog. Then HE made two albums that sounded like Floyd, then he created a band playing indie prog rock, there is zero in PT's music that can be linked to neo.
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I have no problem with Porcupine Tree and Transatlantic being included in Ranker's Neo Prog Top 30, but I'm guessing those who voted for Dream Theater assumed Neo Prog was short for Neo Progressive Metal.
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It's almost as bizarre as Jethro Tull being classed as a Heavy Metal band at the Grammy Awards, although 53% of people on Ranker agreed with Dream Theater being classed as Neo Prog.
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P Tree and DT neo prog?!! And Transatlantic?!!!!!
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It's good to see Porcupine Tree at #3, even though they're not classed as Neo Prog here on PA. ![]() The only disappointment is there's no Magenta listed in the Top 30.
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^ I don't know about Starcastle, but Saga are also listed as Neo Prog on Wikipedia.
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Saga and Starcastle??? Neo-Prog???
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^It's a good list but not all of them are considered neo prog (at least not by what is considered neo prog on PA).
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 44843 |
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I like Ranker's Top 30 of Neo Prog:- http://www.ranker.com/list/neo-progressive-rock-bands-and-musicians/reference
01. Marillion 02. IQ 03. Porcupine Tree 04. Pendragon 05. Steven Wilson 06. Arena 07. Pallas 08. Spock's Beard 09. The Pineapple Thief 10. Transatlantic 11. The Flower Kings 12. Galahad 13. Big Big Train 14. Gazpacho 15. Saga 16. Sylvan 17. Dream Theater 18. Jadis 19. The Tangent 20. Comedy of Errors 21. Magic Pie 22. Satellite 23. Starcastle 24. Clive Nolan 25. Anathema 26. Twelfth Night 27. Quidam 28. Edison's Children 29. Frost* 30. It Bites
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I personally would probably say Jadis but there are a lot of other contenders including Galahad, Abel Ganz, Airbag, Mystery, Sylvan, Satellite, Frost* and on and on. Magenta too even though I initially thought of them as symph prog. However, they are considered neo on here so they get tossed in the bag also. Interestingly enough, It Bites are crossover prog on here even though I used to think of them as neo. They could be a contender also if it wasn't for them being crossover.
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