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richeym 
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Posted: October 03 2005 at 03:53 |
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o noes! a MUSIC JOURNALIST classified a band into the wrong genre!!1!
is prog metal a sub-genre of metal, or prog?
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Dalezilla
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Posted: October 03 2005 at 03:26 |
 Tony Fisher wrote:
All I'm questioning is whether they actually want to be identified as prog or think it sexier to be plain metal. Is the term prog embarrassing to them?
I hope not. |
Well judging by the Live At Budokan documentary they feel fine about being identified as prog.
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Posted: October 03 2005 at 02:41 |
BePinkTheater wrote:
But sadly, james Labrie doesnt know what he's talking about....
Their biggest influences are: YES, RUSH, mettalica,KANSAS, and IRON MAIDEN
The ones in bold are prog
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None of those are in bold... 
And Metallica produced more prog than Iron Maiden or Kansas... they certainly progressed the genre of metal more than any other band ever, apart from, arguably, Black Sabbath.
Therefore Metallica are prog (at least, their first 5 albums are).
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 21:22 |
But sadly, james Labrie doesnt know what he's talking about....
Their biggest influences are: YES, RUSH, mettalica,KANSAS, and IRON MAIDEN
The ones in bold are prog
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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salmacis
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:49 |
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I think I read an interview where James LaBrie said that he'd rather DT be called a hard rock band with progressive elements. That to me shows they are underplaying the prog element,and I personally feel it shows in the music that they are more influenced by heavy metal/rock, really.
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richardh
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:36 |
Tony Fisher wrote:
All I'm questioning is whether they actually want to be identified as prog or think it sexier to be plain metal. Is the term prog embarrassing to them?
I hope not.
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I believe you are correct but that in essence they want to be a prog band (and are of course!).I know a couple of metal fans and they both hate prog so the association to prog does no favours for them.
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:25 |
All I'm questioning is whether they actually want to be identified as prog or think it sexier to be plain metal. Is the term prog embarrassing to them?
I hope not.
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el_Sethro
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 17:01 |
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I don't think that you should
take what they DIDN'T say and interpret it as them saying that they
aren't prog. I notice that it doesn't say anywhere in your quote that
he's talented, either. just "respected" and "legendary". does this mean
that Petrucci is a bad/mediocre guitarist? no. maybe they just aren't
familliar with the term "prog". most of the people I know weren't until
they met me. I think you're making too big a deal about it.
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Who you gonna call?
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Cygnus X-1
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 16:40 |
Metal is a more commercial term I think then prog metal. Maybe thats why?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 16:17 |
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 16:15 |
Quite right.
Dream Theater are not prog.
I'm having a hard job identifying them as metal either - what an insult to metal fans everywhere.
They're more like the FM rock bands of the late 1970s mid 1980s but with flashier guitars. Journey on steroids, you might say. REO Speedwagon meets Joe Satriani?
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The Miracle
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:18 |
They are metal, thus they can be called metal. Most people aren't familiar with the term "prog metal", thus public magazines call them metal. No one denies that they're prog, of course they are 
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 14:03 |
true dat hommie! 
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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Jeremy Bender
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 12:22 |
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DT=PROG+ROCK+METAL
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 11:54 |
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why, isn't dream theater a metal band after all? isn't petrucci a metal guitarist? Just because in the ad they forgot to say "prog" doesn't mean they don't think Dream Theater are actually prog...
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"my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III")
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Crushed Aria
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:58 |
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Um. No.
I am a huge metal fan, I listen to anything from Emperor to Velvet
Cacoon to Savatage to Wormed. I love Progressive rock/metal. Well,
typically only Neo-prog rock but ...
ontothe topic of discussion here.
Dream Theater are a progressive rock band more than anything, even with
their later releases being a bit heavier, well Train of Thought being
almost all metal. They are basically going to be Prog. because they
stole their basic song structuring from Rush >_>
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 10:52 |
basically all METAL fans hate prog...just read metal hammer..they call maiden crap because they become too proggy 
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:32 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Tony Fisher wrote:
Quote from Sound Control's latest circular;
"Come and see the king of shred, the master of the electric guitar and legendary member of US metal band Dream Theater in our Oxford Street store on Sunday 23rd October.
This is an opportunity to see one of the most respected metal guitarists on the planet."
No mention of prog at all, just metal. Given that this release would have had to get approval from Petrucci, does this mean that, whatever we think on this site, Dream Theater DON'T think they're prog or don't want to acknowledge it? That's my interpretation.
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What makes you think that DT had to give approval to this? |
Believe you me, if a major artist does a personal appearance, their management will want ALL publicity vetted and approved to the ninth degree before it goes out or else there is no way it will happen.
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MarkCsigs
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:30 |
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It's probably just a marketing strategy to appeal to potential fans who'd be turned off by the "prog" label.
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I repeat myself when under stress.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 01 2005 at 09:25 |
Tony Fisher wrote:
Quote from Sound Control's latest circular;
"Come and see the king of shred, the master of the electric guitar and legendary member of US metal band Dream Theater in our Oxford Street store on Sunday 23rd October.
This is an opportunity to see one of the most respected metal guitarists on the planet."
No mention of prog at all, just metal. Given that this release would have had to get approval from Petrucci, does this mean that, whatever we think on this site, Dream Theater DON'T think they're prog or don't want to acknowledge it? That's my interpretation.
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What makes you think that DT had to give approval to this?
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