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I prophesy disaster 
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 Topic: Recent discovery of classic prog albumsPosted: July 18 2020 at 03:30 |
The Barbarian comes from Béla Bartók (Allegro Barbaro). Edited by I prophesy disaster - July 18 2020 at 03:43 |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Droxford
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Posted: July 18 2020 at 02:18 |
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Yes, obviously it's about personal tastes. In Greg Lake's autobiography -'Lucky Man' - he claims that the song was needed as a filler for the first album. ELP hadn't been together for long, and there seemed to be a lot of pressure on them to deliver enough material for an album. And they were a few minutes short . Can see that outside of Britain 'Lucky Man' as a radio-friendly single helped the band reach a wider audience. There was no guarantee that ELP would get noticed or appreciated across the Atlantic, or in Europe.
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richardh
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Posted: July 17 2020 at 23:50 |
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^ Lake often mentioned that they were short of track after recording mots of it so he offered a little ditti he had written about 5 years earlier as a homage to Bob Dylan. Adding the moog solo is what made the track great. It's a good end to the album imo and doesn't spoil it. It also helped the band get the music 'out there' as it was played a bit on radio , so it served a purpose and also more importantly showed another side to the band.
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Droxford
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Posted: July 17 2020 at 13:58 |
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Just been listening to the first ELP album 'Emerson Lake & Palmer' , as have been reading Greg Lake's autobiography 'Lucky Man'. Amazed how good it is ....but remain unconvinced by 'Lucky Man' . It's not a bad song by any means, just that the rest of the album is so extraordinary , just doesn't quite belong.
I just can't compare 'Emerson Lake and Palmer' the album to anything else that seemed to be happening at the time. Really want to explore the Classical music influences that inspired ELP's music at the time.
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FatherChristmas
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Posted: June 30 2020 at 04:53 |
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I just bought In the Land of Grey and Pink by Caravan. I know it's pretty well known, but most people I know have never heard of it. Nine feet underground is the the best track (in my opinion).
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moshkito
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Posted: June 29 2020 at 10:43 |
Hi, It was vastly different for me ... by that time, I was already FULL BLAST into the European bands, and things like Genesis, seemed not as valuable or important as things from Spain, Italy, Germany or France, to mention a few ... and I lost interest. There are only 2 albums by that band that I really like ... and the others are nice listens, but nothing as great as the many things from all over Europe. That band was over for me, big or not, lots of money or not! It's strange to me that some folks continued with it, just because it was "progressive" when it's "progressiveness" can be counted in one hand!
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Sacro_Porgo
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Posted: June 28 2020 at 18:10 |
Eh, the best one is a toss up between Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England, The Lamb, and A Trick. England sits in the middle of the range of sounds and styles each of these present, so that's probably why it gets pushed as the best one. No doubt it's incredible, but it has some pretty controversial tracks (More Fool Me and The Battle Of Epping Forest), for the most part Foxtrot and A Trick Of The Tail don't have any highly disputed tracks like those, and Nursery Cryme and The Lamb don't have very much in the way of majorly disliked tracks either. Starting with England could be a great choice, but I personally would recommend Foxtrot or A Trick Of The Tail first, as I find both of them much more consistent and Foxtrot especially has more fun idiosyncrasies to sink your teeth into. But then Supper's Ready isn't the most accessible 23 minute epic in the world, lol. I actually started (as far as prog genesis goes) with Nursery Cryme and Wind And Wuthering, neither of which really hit with me for a long time, but now I love them.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: June 28 2020 at 16:55 |
Wow. If you don't mind me asking what have you gotten around to so far?
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glaswegians
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Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:30 |
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Just haven't gotten around to it. I understand that Selling England is supposed to be the best one
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Posted: June 28 2020 at 09:18 |
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^ I don't know for sure but I get the feeling some don't explore Genesis more because they are judging them by their 80's hits. They are too poppy for them and they assume the 70's Genesis stuff was similar to that.
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Sacro_Porgo
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Posted: June 28 2020 at 01:03 |
Do you not like Genesis or have you just not gotten around to them yet?
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Posted: June 27 2020 at 23:56 |
Keep going at least through the Schmoelling years
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Posted: June 27 2020 at 23:04 |
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Y'all are gonna hate me for this but I've never listened to any of Genesis' albums
(but I love other 70s prog like Camel, Gentle Giant, Yes, King Crimson, etc etc etc)
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moshkito
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Posted: June 21 2020 at 09:24 |
Hi, My feeling is that too many folks are not "aware" of the arts during their lifetime ... if they were, knowing that things existed out there that were different than the top ten that you have heard too many times, you would have checked out a few more things. It's the same here, today, and when you look at a lot of posts, too much of it is just subjective comments, that do not pay attention to the time or place, or care as to how/why they were big then ... and you know that today, no one would give a darn and that not even a small dildo pipe was going to help STEELY DAN get better known ... at UCSB when I was there (78/82), girls used to make fun of guys sucking on that pipe for the load of dope ... Today, compared to yesterday, there is a lot more music, and places like PA are instrumental in seeing that it is (at least) listed, although my preferences would be to not immediately shuffle that band to the closet on the left where you have 74 albums gathering dust that you probably don't remember what they sound like or are about! BUT, YESTERDAY, (late 60's and 70's) no one knew a lot of these bands ... and the only way to get to them, was if you TUNED YOUR EARS to something different ... and that PFM, BANCO, ANGE, AD2, CAN and so many other bands made it ... was because many of us were listening to so many different things ... and heck ... one trip to Moby Disk in their old location in Van Nuys (Victory Blvd), and you get a headache WITHIN 5 MINUTES .... why? The amount of choices was insane and you would end up getting something "safe" and "known") like PH or VdGG because you had no idea what all the other stuff was about. "Recent discovery" is more about many folks here waking up and finding ... wow ... there was music then! There had always been music at all times in many places around the world ... but you did not hear any of it because you were into so much of the pop/rock stuff that is supposedly better for you ... like not make you as well versed in the arts ... something the Republicans have been trying to kill for 40 years ... why? Most educational moneys were ending up in "liberal" education and arts, and this, unfortunately for them means ... it makes people more intelligent, and some republicans were making sure that the public did not get more intelligent! Good thing that thing haven't changed ... or have they? The question is, are we going to help the younger generation "find" more music and arts everywhere else? And I don't know that the interest is quite there ... so for all intents and purposes, it is EXACTLY the same thing as it was way back then, yesterday!
Edited by moshkito - June 21 2020 at 09:28 |
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Yesterday I listened first time Hatfield & the North the Rotters` Club and it was much better than I thought! All the way Gong was a long time my only Canterbury band and I got only Flying Teapot from them (really I wonder now why nobody recommend me earlier for example Caravan what I love now so much). Also from Kraut I had in nineties just Can´s Monster Movie, begin of 2000 started to listen Amon Düül II and not earlier than 2010 Faust that I also love now so much! Not many years I started to listen Agitation Free.
I have had many classic rock albums I have listened first recent years (for example Bob Dylan´s Freewheelin & Highway 61 Revisited). I think reason is I am interested all kinds of music and just haven´t got enough time to all I want to listen. But Foxtrot I heard first time in the eighties, not immediately started to love it (as not any other Genesis album that time) but when it hit it hit hard!! Not listen it often these days, but always it sounds so great!
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Posted: June 19 2020 at 23:06 |
I don't think Il Rovescio Della Medaglia is that obscure for RPI, but I will always applaud people taking the time to explore Italy's magnificent prog scene, especially if they get past the big three RPI bands (who are all well deserving of their positions). I'm jealous of and impressed by your prog record collection though! Most of my prog records are limited to the big 6 and Rush, as a lot of the other stuff (especially non-English) is plain hard to find where I live. I would LOVE to have Osanna on vinyl, lol.
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Posted: June 19 2020 at 20:04 |
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I'm actually the same as you.
I knew a few songs off Foxtrot, then only last month I sat down and listened to the whole thing. Loved it so much and I honestly never thought I would..
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Thank you for the replies in relation to 'Tales from the Topographic Oceans'. Maybe it simply isn't an album that has an immediate appeal with some people, and playing the whole four sides one after the other when it was still unfamiliar, was too much. But I am glad that I saw Yes, particularly with this line up, my first ever rock concert. And eventually got to appreciate 'Tales'....
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Posted: June 19 2020 at 07:20 |
Hi, At the Long Beach Arena, they went straight to "TALES" and then they took a wee break and came back and did "CTTE" ... and the encore after that was "ROUNDABOUT", and I think they did one more thing but I am not sure what it was now. It doesn't matter to me that Rick was eating "curry" or "cereal" ... all musicians, sometimes eat something between bits for the sake of a bit more energy, specially people that burn energy fast. The only comment I ever had of Rick is that he never respected this piece of music, and until the day that he grows up and does a piano version of it in its entirety, to me, he is just a "musician" that knows "notes", not an "artist" that lives and dies with the music! It doesn't matter if something you did is not "great" to your this or that ... what matters is that your name is attached to it, and trashing it is counter productive and does not help the fans' understanding of the piece, which is not as simple as ... jane got a gun ... or brown sugar ... simplistic stuff that in reality is more of a finger to the strength of lyrics as an art form, by bringing it down to a pedestrian level. MIND YOU, that some of these end up being really good and well done, so the criticism is not an attempt to say all of these lyrics stink ... but the context is the issue and how it is brought out. And Rick still has not grown up ... but he'll take the money home real quick ... !!!!
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Posted: June 18 2020 at 18:37 |
Good post. My own opinion back in 1973 is that the band had performed it as a 2 hour jam without the preamble of a Jon Anderson introduction. They should have left out performing Close to the Edge which is itself a fairly complicated piece of music and which the audience are going to be comparing Tales to. Band goes off stage at the end and then returns with Jon explaining the work to the audience. Then they do Roundabout as an encore. Looking at it realistically though Tales was never going to work live on stage without the buy-in from Rick Wakeman who according to one account was eating curry during one of the performances.
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