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Should Bowie be moved to Crossover Prog? |
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Logan 
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 Topic: Should Bowie be moved to Crossover Prog?Posted: May 02 2020 at 09:02 |
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"Even if it's a witty, singing and dancing turd, it's still a turd" (Stephen King, "Sleeping Beauties").
"That which we call a turd by any other name would smell as sh*te" (Logan, "Guano and Manuret"). My favourite joke: What's brown and sounds like a bell? Dunggg! Moving this topic from Brownie back to Bowie. A case could be made for Bowie in Crossdresser Prog. |
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moshkito
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Posted: May 02 2020 at 08:38 |
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Hi, We need a new thread for quotes ... nice one there DE
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: May 01 2020 at 15:43 |
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Made my day
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 01 2020 at 11:59 |
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To quote early American politician John Randolph, ''like a rotten mackerel in the moonlight, he both shines and stinks.''
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: May 01 2020 at 10:24 |
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(To paraphrase Dean) You can roll a turd in glitter but it's still a turd
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moshkito
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Posted: May 01 2020 at 08:33 |
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Hi, Goodness ... 69 and counting and my hair still grows all over my face and I have to trim it and shave now and then! What a hassle that is, hey? But, honestly, to comment on DE's line, the issue is not so much splitting hairs as it is the concept of doing this about ALBUMS and not ARTIST ... too many of these "artists' change from album to album and what might be prog in one is MOR in the other and DB is a very good example of this for the early days in FM ... longer cuts that resembled prog, but were merely longer songs that would not be considered "prog" ... I hardly think Spiders from Mars is progressive ... just a damn good rock album!
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dougmcauliffe
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Posted: April 30 2020 at 04:32 |
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Hey now, gimme some credit, I still have a few more years of this full head of hair!
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The sun has left the sky...
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 30 2020 at 03:07 |
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Yep, like watching bald men fighting over a comb.
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micky
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Posted: April 29 2020 at 19:47 |
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can't really say I agree with you there.. perhaps if one is in the market for a boring forum. It has proven to be one of the most entertaining aspects... you don't see it much anymore as this site has slipped into its dotage but was the undercurrent to the chaos and bloodshed of the glory days when we were building the database. People really did lose their sh*t about those hairs. If an artist got put where someone didn't like... the fur flew man.. and god help them if the site added an artist they didn't think was prog... oh boy...cattle were raped and the womanfolk stampeded...wooo hooo!!! Guns were drawn and knifes were not just drawn.. but used. The admins did little but hose the pavement down every evening. I don't recall you getting too much into it.. what a waste of talent. you are one of the few I've seen here that has the quick draw and sharp wit with a certain flair for viciousness that made those that did.. PA's legend back then haha. good times.. perhaps you had to be in the thick of it a we were(ie having those guns and knives drawn on you ) to appreciate the joy of blowing someone's cyber head off who crosses you.. but at one time we had a lot of people here who really knew music, not just knew what they liked.. and were passionate about prog and really got rubbed the wrong ways about additions/genre placements they didn't agree with anyhow wasn't much said from the gen pop either way about Bowie. Most instinctual knew he belonged here and again I think most would have been at a loss to have found a natural fit for him.
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 29 2020 at 08:42 |
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Who cares what slot he is in? This PA proclivity for splitting hairs is one of the least endearing activities of this site.
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moshkito
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Posted: April 29 2020 at 07:55 |
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Hi, Logic man ... LOGIC. You're making me think that some of the decisions made many of the choices actually make sense!!!!! Again, this is the perfect reason why these divisions should be about the artist, NOT THE ALBUM. DB is not always "progressive" in most albums, although at times, it comes off as art rock, and then it comes off as rock with the biggest finger in the sky possible!
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jamesbaldwin
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Shawn Phillips is more proggy than Bowie (and than Steely Dan etc.) and he sits in the Prog-related category.
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Only if crossover refers to artists who are no longer living in this physical world!
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Posted: April 28 2020 at 10:44 |
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Absolutely not.
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moshkito
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Hi, Your knowledge of music and the postings here, as well as the history of DB in Berlin, is astounding. EF is Edgar Froese, from Tangerine Dream that rehearsed several times with DB, but came to the conclusion that what DB was doing was not for him at all ... it's on his book about TD. In fact, one of the lnocks on the book is that there is "too much" about DB ... but you learn a thing or two about how he worked! ... well, and Micky's comments seem to show that he drank too much and had way too much sex last night to remember anything!
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micky
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by the time I added him I had already created 4 subgenres here.. I was on fumes by then almost reaching the burnout that led to years long vacation from the site... so we phoned him in to PR...out but knowing my history.. it was definitely discussed
The best part in hindsight with putting Bowie where we did was not having the Miles Davis effect on whatever sub-genre we would have jammed him into.. Brian mentioned career arc earlier but in my mind that misses the boat about Bowie.. there was nothing linear about him or his music. |
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David Bowie should have his own genre.
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^ is that what he calls the voices in his head. OK? Whatever man... that would make sense in a Pedro way. At least as much sense as his post did.
At least the voice in my head doesn't try talking music.. Sheena with her mangled German accented english has one hell of sexy voice and she talks to me all the time and sure as sh*t not about music.. umm hmmm it is a reason I go through my days with a big ass smile on my face.
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Who is EF, Elmer Fudd?
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