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    Posted: April 16 2020 at 13:20
I haven’t posted on here in a while. Topics haven’t changed much.

(Putting head gently above parapet to see if it’s safe to come out.)

Siberian Khatru?

No I don’t get the love for it either. Pretty much always skip it these days. It’s the main reason CTTE is not my top album. Although pretty much all the top album candidates have a bad song or two:
- SEBTP: I know what I like
- Foxtrot: Watcher
- Tarkus: Jeremy Bender
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Yes I did say I don’t like Watcher! 

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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

[QUOTE=A Bard]I never why this song got put in close to edge. Its not bad, it just feels out of place in this great album. why is their a disco epic in this album please explain 


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Siberian Khatru is indeed my least favourite song from CttE, and the one that has taken me the most to get into. Yet, it is still a great song, and I do love it... and why they put it there... well, because that's the song they had, that's the song that came to them to write and include, that's what their inspiration told them, whatever. It's still a worthy song for the greatest prog album.
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Wow.. really the heresy thread to me!  LOL   (as we're already playing the "gods game"...)

Well, in my case, I love all the guitarists mentioned from the main progressive bands. And I sum up Steven Rothery from Marillion. Not my favorite era, but like to share this video I stumbled upon on YouTube apropos the recent date  : )





I play guitar from many years.. and Howe always has been an idol to me.. maybe the top one. I've managed to play some things from him… mainly acoustic… Mood for a day, the middle piece in 'The Ancient' even Clap to some extent. But I like his electric 'raw' and rocky sound, his jazzy and fierce playing, etc.

So, on the main subject, for me the deal is clearly a song that maybe could be seen as 'sub-par' / not as proggy / etc. at the beggining, when one is discovering Prog / Yes / CTTE..  but that ages very very well even to the extent of listening to it more than the other songs in the album. This kind of 'inversion' with the tracks happens to me on other bands/albums.. (I started listening 'Soucerful of Secrets' with 'Let There be More Light' and 'Corporal Clegg'..  to end up on 'See-Saw' and 'Remember a Day').

In my case, I always liked Siberian Khatru; but nowadays I never cease to appreciate its uniqueness, sophistication, rythm, fantastic vocals choruses, lyrics, jazzy Howe ending, etc.






Edited by Machinemessiah - April 14 2020 at 09:01
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Steve Howe's industrial guitar style is probably marmite...He does play some haunting guitar parts, especially on TFTO. For a while he was my favourite stringsman....but Hackett has now floated (sic) back to numero uno...Stolt, Latimer, Petruci and Mike Holmes are in the chasing pack for third...I do think that Gilmour is VERY overated...but then I forgot Akerfelt...he is up there and the Riverside geezer and Andy Revell of TN....plenty of horses fir courses prog brothers...so hold your les paul high...😎
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

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This and say Pink Floyd/DSoTM is boring LOL.  I totally agree though. OP is new, and is probably on his own on this one! Cool

No - I'm with him to an extent.

Yes have never been one of my really favourite bands - I've always liked them, but not a lot, to paraphrase Larry Grayson - and I've always put it down to Jon Anderson's vocals and the lack of any meaningful lyrical meaning in many of their songs. But listening again to Close to the Edge, it's also Steve Howe's guitar playing. Whilst I can see that he's incredibly skilful, it doesn't engage me emotionally. The same is true of Allan Holdsworth, Robert Fripp, John Petrucci and many more superbly technical guitarists. They have no soul in their music for me.

Give me the true God of emotion, Andy Latimer, Steve Hackett, Steve Rothery, Dave Gilmour, Piotr Grudinski and the like every time.

Well if we're going to play the irrational worship of "gods" game:
 
The way you feel about Howe is how I feel about Gilmour. His patterns and use of pentatonic scale is nothing short of stock IMHO. He's a downgrade from Hendrix put into a progressive rock setting. Howe was always like a locomotive with almost no discernible influence. That's a true musician, especially a progressive one IMHO.

It's all good. I can't stand Dark Side of The Moon. Like, at all. Yes, and CTTE is my top go back to prog record. Always.


Edited by Frenetic Zetetic - April 14 2020 at 01:27

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I must admit, I never got the love for SK. I've listened to it over and over and still can't gel with it. 
This is probably why I disagree that CTTE is seen as the no. 1 prog album of all time.
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Originally posted by A Bard A Bard wrote:

i know this probably a dumb thing to say but whats the deal with Moon-child.  

It's totally fine till it gets to the improv section, which doesn't suck, but has a tendency to make people impatient.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Siberian Khatru is the best thing on the album. Love that Mellotron !!

I agree!  Wakeman used horn-tapes for SK, and those are a Mellotron sound that was rarely employed!  

The Stanley Snail version is a fantastic mashup if you've never heard it! 
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Siberian Khatru is a great track and sits proudly with the other two classics on the album. Always the best way to start a Yes concert too. Everyone's entitled to their view though, but I sense a bit of jovial provocation in a few recent posts by newbies, like a boy with a stick poking at the bear inside the cage. The exhuberance of youth! 😂
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 But listening again to Close to the Edge, it's also Steve Howe's guitar playing. Whilst I can see that he's incredibly skilful, it doesn't engage me emotionally. The same is true of Allan Holdsworth, Robert Fripp, John Petrucci and many more superbly technical guitarists. They have no soul in their music for me.

while I can understand the lack of emotion with Petruccu, Fripp---Howe has moved me guitar at end of And you and I---end of Ritual is stunning---on Remembering --Soon---To be Over---On the silent wings of freedom---at the end of Into the storm---find him very moving--he's not a blues player so maybe you are more moved by that sound---but sure agree that Hackett for me is the best.
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i know this probably a dumb thing to say but whats the deal with Moon-child.  
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I find nothing remotely resembling disco in Siberian Khatru. And I don't understand why someone objected to my review of Camel's Breathless because I find that album too disco. Disco must have very undefined boundaries
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

How to upset everybody on this website 101

This and say Pink Floyd/DSoTM is boring LOL.  I totally agree though. OP is new, and is probably on his own on this one! Cool

No - I'm with him to an extent.

Yes have never been one of my really favourite bands - I've always liked them, but not a lot, to paraphrase Larry Grayson - and I've always put it down to Jon Anderson's vocals and the lack of any meaningful lyrical meaning in many of their songs. But listening again to Close to the Edge, it's also Steve Howe's guitar playing. Whilst I can see that he's incredibly skilful, it doesn't engage me emotionally. The same is true of Allan Holdsworth, Robert Fripp, John Petrucci and many more superbly technical guitarists. They have no soul in their music for me.

Give me the true God of emotion, Andy Latimer, Steve Hackett, Steve Rothery, Dave Gilmour, Piotr Grudinski and the like every time.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

How to upset everybody on this website 101

This and say Pink Floyd/DSoTM is boring LOL.  I totally agree though. OP is new, and is probably on his own on this one! Cool

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Its mostly hidden funkiness under waves of progressive-ness (except the opening guitar bars, which are just funky--but that's your clue). I'm not sure that I'd ever associate it with "disco" though.


Edited by zwordser - April 12 2020 at 20:25
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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

If only there were more "disco" songs like "Siberian Khatru".  All of history would have been changed for the better.

Picture this, a nine minute rendition of The Bee Gee's "You Should Be Dancing" replete with psychedelic guitar soloing, heavy metal drumming, and an extended series of gibberish choral stabs layered over a cacophony of sweet progressive madness to close out the track.
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Eh. And You and I should have been extended out to 22 mins and filled side 2....what a feckin improvement eh...I suppose I will polarise this thread as well...😎
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What's wrong with it being a little funky? Squire is a very funky bass player, very hard licks almost slapping quality like Bootsy or Billy Nelson.
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