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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37430 |
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I was mentioning in another thread that it's something of a double-edged sword. If the albums sound too samey one gets complaints and if they sound too different, that also gets complaints partially because people come in with set expectations. If I really like the sound of an album, that the band's next album sounds like more of the same would not make me dismiss it provided I still really dig that sound.
In my review of Magma's E-Re, I started by writing "Same old, same old, pretty much, but what a wondrous same old it is." That was my album of the year. |
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Cool thread (that, as usual, I'm late to discover)! I'm glad the discussion about the act of pointing out "sameness" or "similarity" being able to be both an positive or negative--a band's advantage or disadvantage, a listener's joy or disappointment.
I think it's so difficult (and yet admirable) when a band tries to reinvent themselves and/or their sound from time to time (much less album to album). It would be my modus operandi were I a musician--yet, as a writer I know how difficult it is to sound new and fresh in sound, style, and themes from story to story. I do like to see growth and experimental adventurousness--even at the risk of losing fans. I get the arguments for all of the above noted bands yet I still look forward to hearing new releases/discoveries from each and every one of them.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37430 |
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And your post is one of the most negative of the thread in my estimation, not that I'm saying you shouldn't be negative. That's your prerogative, live and let live, it takes all kinds, and all of that. Perhaps you mean topic rather than thread (a thread is a collection of all the posts under the topic). Or perhaps you mean the direction this discussion has gone, as well as where it started.
I find various posts interesting, so the thread doesn't strike me as negative and pointless as it does with you. I tend to dislike negativity mostly when it comes to people being negative about others perceived negativity -- especially when I'm the one doing it. One might say if you don't like a thread, then don't read through it, but I find such statements commonly overly simplistic. One can think of thought experiments and various reasons why one would subject oneself or be subjected to something that one doesn't enjoy. Sometimes people do seem a bit masochistic when it comes to forcing lots of art and other things on themselves that they don't like (sometimes that's hoping that something will click down the road, and sometimes it does),. Or if one finds a thread too negative try to turn it in a more positive direction (a bit of humour can help I find as that can help people to loosen up, enjoy themselves and look on the bright side of things). If one finds it pointless, bring your sense of purpose to it. Of course just because one person finds something pointless, that doesn't make it pointless for everyone. That may be due to one's own deficit, lack of creativity and associative power, and lack of empathy. I haven't read the whole thread, which is a collection of everyone's posts that contributed to it, so I can't say how pointless and negative it is. I like to think that we can all strive to bring our own meaning and points to the table. Some say life is pointless, I like to think we can bring our own sense of purpose into life. Not quite sure what your point was as I haven't read through this, but if one likes a band's sound, then having them all sound the same is not necessarily a negative. I could think of a number of bands with multiple albums that sound much the same where I love every album. Mostly those would just be ones that released only two or three albums. I'm not a completest when it comes to many bands with many albums -- in PA the two bands that I have the most albums by are Art Zoyd and Magma, and I have almost all of Robert Wyatt and Kate Bush. Sometimes not listening to them is not an easy option, say if one's roommate, sibling or partner plays all of them and one doesn't want to go out and one cares that that person wants you to listen to them, and you don;t want to disappoint that person. I probably would not have heard all of Rush's albums had I not been that my best friend is very into Rush. Had I hated the music, well, maybe I would have made my excuses and left. Anyway, I'll take the time out to properly read through and digest this thread, then maybe I'll understand your insight/ perspective on the thread better. It takes me some work sometimes to try to figure out where people are coming from, and I don't like to make assumptions or oversimplify things (principle of charity and all that). Now this post me I do consider rather pointless, in that it feels an utter waste of time to type. I at least would have done better to read through the whole thread first to get a better feel for the discussion and for your perspective. |
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Sorry, but what a pointless negative thread. If you don't like a band, don't listen to them.
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I understand this argument but feel it is a bit of a lazy approach to this topic. For example, I am not a huge fan of Dream Theater for sure but I can definitely tell apart the Kevin Moore era from the early Rudess era (Scenes from a Memory-Six Degrees-Octavarium) from the Portnoy metal overdrive phase (Train of Thought-Systematic Chaos). OTOH as a huge fan of Renaissance, I would say substantial evolution between albums wasn't their biggest priority because they were harking after a sound rather than exploring musical possibilities. That is, I don't THINK one has to approach this thread in a way where one bashes bands one dislikes and defends the favourites. When it comes down to it, all or nearly all bands have something in their shtick that could polarise opinions. Except maybe Eagles and they aren't prog anyway.
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^I think their sound change between first and second, first was more psych rock and they find their space style into "In Search Of Space". Then their sound change also after "Space Ritual Live", "Hall Of the Mountain Grill" they started to use mellotron, there are not also any long space jams. "Warrior" is my favourite (it has some of the earlier space jams-style and also "modern" Hall Of...-style. Hawkwind is not my biggest favorites, but really love those albums before Lemmy got fired, also like quite much the albums to Levitation. And "Into the Woods" is really great, later album.
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^ I think Hawkwind made a massive jump with Quark , Strangeness and Charm in 1977 . Probably my favourite album of that year and I'm not a fan of the band at all.
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I don't agree with Magma but I can understand well why they're nominated. If you have a musical position that is in quite some distance from them (and you may not be tempted to go there and explore more), all Magma will come from the same direction and therefore sound pretty much the same for you. That's a general thing with this thread. If the sound of a band rubs you up the wrong way (or at least a specific aspect of it), you will always recognise their unique way of annoying you, but you won't put yourself in the middle of it to see how their different albums deviate in all kinds of directions from this core. I stopped exploring the Ozrics at some point because on top of the two or three albums I really like, my impression was none of the others adds something all too worthwhile for me, instead it's all more of the same. But that may just be a result of not trying enough and not becoming a proper part of their "universe". Similar case with Hawkwind actually, but I'd never suggest that all their albums sound the same to everyone in any "objective" sense.
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They are not absolutely the same but they are similar enough that I would find it hard to place which album they are a part of. |
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Forget Merci, how do you mix up MDK and Kohntarkohz? They sound so different. Again, I am not saying there aren't bands that make samey albums. But for them, it was a choice because they knew their fan base wanted the same sound again. It's like I don't know the minutae of AC DC's catalog but I could listen to almost any album and enjoy it, whenever I am in a mood for bluesy hard rock that is. That is, in such cases, it doesn't matter that the albums sound the same. Bands like Magma so evolve and grow their style, OTOH. |
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Ozric is the obvious one, but I always take a few minutes before trying to guess on which Magma album I am hearing (I'm not often successfull either). Ditto with Hawkwind GG is a good shot as well. Don't find that for VdGG as the Least Lighthouse era is different than the Godorld era is... Of course, afterwards they change the line-up, so it's immediatelt recognizable
Yup, TMB's classic era is difficult to tell apart (Balance does change their sound a bit) Well, not really... I can tell when it's not on their first two... their sound changed a bit from the third ownwards and of course the Dio days are quite different sounding
Mmmhh!!!... I can find my way blindfolded through DS' discography Edited by Sean Trane - January 10 2020 at 08:47 |
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VdGG??? One of the things that impressed me about VdGG when I was first getting into them was how different the first three albums I encountered (World Record, Pawn Hearts, and The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome) were to each other. Admittedly, after getting several of their albums, I began to notice some "VdGG clichés" within their music. But in spite of this, the overall sound of each album differed from each other. |
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I don't know if ALL their albums are different, but I would say 'Grateful Dead' were good at trying to be different each time.
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