WINE: the choice

Strange mix...





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"I do not think nocive products are used for wine growing or else there would be no more wine drinkers"

There are very nocive products used in regular agriculure but people continue to buy and eat regular fruits and vegetables...so that's not a good reason.

Vine is a fruit which is sensitive to many parasites and others diseases, so they use many nocive products to grow it. Thats how they completely ruin Champagne earth, thanks? to excessive chemical fertilizer use...

Sean Trane wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Great knowledge. what about biological wine? It's unfiltered. Have not really found one I really like except for the one I bottle myself. But he does not have the right to the Bio label, because he says sometimes he must use some products if he is to have a crop at all! Good bio wines do not have no sulfates (which can cause a bad headache aftyer a full bottle consumption) , bio wines do not use those, but taste strange and aged poorly!

Yes bio wines have to improve.
But it MUST be possible to grow without any nocive product. Because bio wines exists.

Logos wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Did you know there's the equivalent in sugar amount of 17 sugar cubes in such a box? Scary! But it tastes so gooood!

Coke is barely drinkable if you squeeze half a lemon into a can , just to trake the sugar-ey feel from attacking the tastebuds.

oh yea....
big box with a tap on the side.

just the way quality wine was meant to be enjoyed.

oliverstoned wrote: Did you know there's the equivalent in sugar amount of 17 sugar cubes in such a box? Scary!

But it tastes so gooood!

Great knowledge.
what about biological wine?
It's unfiltered.

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oliverstoned wrote: ...and yes, Chinon can be good when you know the good ones, but most of it is crap! I love Medoc too.

In Paris , they do not respect Chinon , Bourgueuils and Saumur serving the red wines chilled from the fridge.

Prefer the Saint Nicolas De Bourgueuil to the Bourgueuil AOC.

Prefer the Saumur-Champigny from the Saumur AOC, especially if they are from Parnay on from other villages close to the Tuiffaux cliffs.

In Chinon AOC, look out for the villages close to the River Vienne : such as Panzoult or Cravant. In good years , they rival the greatest Bordeaux for a tenth of the price. the Cabernet Franc ceps can be amazing, when treated right.

In white wine from the Loire valley , forget the Sancerres (too expensive ) and other Pouilly or Quincy but check out Savenières AOC (close to Angers) : Coulée De Serrant or Roche Des Moines.

And for licoreux , the Coteaux Du Layon or better yet Quart De Chaumes , rivalling any Sauternes for a fifth of the price.

 

oliverstoned wrote: 2003 seems not to be a good year as alcohol level is too high as you said. It was a very dried and sunny year, so it gave less production (because less water) and the wine obtained is strong (in the pejorative sense of the word). "Charpenté" we should say The best wine i have ever drink is : "Saint émilion grand cru classé 1991"

The more alcohol there is does not mean you have a lesser wine!

I regularly drink some Languedoc wine (Flaugergues or Rosemont Vielle Vignes, and Les Terrasses De Guilhem) but they are always between 13% and 14% and are fantastic wines. So likely the 03 millesime will be even higher than that, but I would not know, since they are coming out now.

But most of what I have tasted from 03 so far, was not very good , albeit that the wines having come out before now  are not as well brought up.

 

Chateau Grand-Poujeaux Moulis-En-Medoc 85 was the best bottle I opened but the best I drunk (with friends but not counting the old man )was a 76 Cos D'estournel (Pauillac) opened (and drunk) in 99.

My father has over 7000 bottles (half of them from the excellent 80's (for wine not for prog) and the other half from the superb 90's. Almost nothing from the crappy 70's (for wine not prog) bar the two excellent 75 and 76.

...and yes, Chinon can be good when you know the good ones, but most of it is crap!

I love Medoc too.