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    Posted: November 12 2024 at 09:34
^ Nektar was a bunch of English ex-pats who left the UK and moved to Germany where they formed and remained

I've suggested changing their nationality to Germany and surprisingly received pushback

Although i still think they should be listed under Germany it's not worth the time to pursue really



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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ we're not so strict here. Even though Nektar never lived in England they are still listed as UK band here.

That can be edited, give us the correct information. Smile
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^ we're not so strict here. Even though Nektar never lived in England they are still listed as UK band here.

If they do get added i'm ok with Greenland because that's where they spent their days as a band

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I think the reason some PA Collaborators want to list Sumé as Danish band as opposed to a Greenlandic one might as well be simply not to perpetuate the 'novelty factor'.
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I guess TYR would prefer to be listed as Far Oer instead of Denmark
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BTW Culpepper Orchard’s first album is definitely progressive with time signature deviations but their following albums are pretty much pure folk so if it wasn’t for their debut wouldn’t be here either

Even Sume’s so-called most progressive album isn’t progressive at all

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^ 70s soundscapes don’t mean progressive

Sume is definitely psychedelic but that is not synonymous with progressive either

I’d say advocate for prog related if you’re set on getting them added

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I dunno. There are so many REAL prog bands that still aren't on this site. Why do we care about bands like Sume? If they weren't from Greenland nobody would even consider them. Sounds like you all just want a band from Greenland so bad you're willing to compromise progginess for novelty.



I'm willing to put Sume under Denmark (just like a Faroë band would be), so that's not my driving force.
RYM lists them as Danish.


Nope, when I hear their later 70'smusic, I hear the typical early 70's soundscapes. 
I'd even say that I hear something of Culpeper Orchard or BRI or Midnight Sun.  
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Quote Sounds like you all just want a band from Greenland so bad you're willing to compromise progginess for novelty.
Duh. I mean, I pretty much said that in my first post in this thread. xD
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I dunno. There are so many REAL prog bands that still aren't on this site. Why do we care about bands like Sume? If they weren't from Greenland nobody would even consider them. Sounds like you all just want a band from Greenland so bad you're willing to compromise progginess for novelty.



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^^^
As long as it isn't Greenland bashing LOL

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ well that may be the case but Oingo Boingo and a gazillion other artists shouldn't be here at all
As much as i love Steely Dan, Oingo Boingo, Sparks etc, i would purge them in a hearbeat from a prog site if i could :) 

we all male mistakes and indeed SD doesn't belong IMHO
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Sorry i'm just not convinced. Why don't you consider them at prog folk since they are primarily a folk band? 

That's what I was getting at in my previous post Wink




Edited by Sean Trane - November 11 2024 at 07:14
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^ well that may be the case but Oingo Boingo and a gazillion other artists shouldn't be here at all
As much as i love Steely Dan, Oingo Boingo, Sparks etc, i would purge them in a hearbeat from a prog site if i could :)

Sorry i'm just not convinced. Why don't you consider them at prog folk since they are primarily a folk band?

 

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Sume didn't write a song like "Bohemian Rhapsody" or make an album like "Queen II."
Sume didn't create inventive collaborations with Brian Eno like David Bowie.
Sume didn't write inventive compositions that were unorthodox like Black Sabbath.
Sume basically wrote folk rock music with lyrics in the Inuit language.
I do like the self-titled album and find it quite pleasant but prog it ain't.

close enough for comfort, for me.
And Ungava was also very much an Inuit/Quebec band

You're right that they (Sume) are not a full-blown prog band in that they would fit in RIO/Avant.
But I hear much more prog than in Oingo Boingo or a few other acts included 


If it's an issue, I'll take it to analyze t(hem at Prog Folk
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Still easier than from North Korea, I guess
Or Somaliland!


Nope! I have reviewed an album (actually only have a few Caribbean Islands to go) from every nation and territory on RYM. North Korea it's fairly easy to get the Korean Revolutionary Opera perfromance by Mansudae Art Troupe.

For Somalia modern acts like Dur-Dur Band are quite popular in world music crowds.

The hardest music to find is from Pacific Islands like Nauru, Tuvulu, Kiribati and Pitcairn Islands.

I guess for PA's sake if Sume is added then Greenland would be appropriate since they were all from Greenland going to college in Denmark and then went back.




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Still easier than from North Korea, I guess
Or Somaliland!
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Still easier than from North Korea, I guess
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Why didn't I think to a poll instead of a thread this morning?

Prog Related is another divisive argument, also because the kind of "relationship" is not clearly defined. One of the site rules says that in order to be considered "prog" an artist must have at least one full prog release. 

So why is Vangelis in prog related and Lucio Battisti, currently on the home page, in RPI? 
Answer: because it mainly depends on who is in the evaluation teams at the time. 

Anyway, one of my collector's goals is to have at least one album from every remote site of the world, and Greenland is currently missing from my collection even if not formally a Nation.
I'll look for Sume



Good luck with finding some from the Pitcairn Islands! I had to contact an artist there and order from her personally because it's impossible to find any samples on line :)

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ well they were formed in Denmark NOT Greenland. Also Greenland is NOT a country but rather a territory of Denmark like the Faroe Islands which DOES have real prog.
Point taken. I hadn't delved into the early history of the band, but the musicians involved did indeed cross paths when they were studying in Sorø, Denmark in the late 60s/early 70s. From 1969 to 1971 the co-founders of Sumé, Per Berthelsen and Malik Høegh, operated as a duo before expanding into a full band when they were offered the opportunity to produce the first Greenlandic LP. Per Berthelsen actually lived in Denmark for 11-12 years before returning to Greenland in the mid-to-late 70s after completing Sumé's third LP. 

In October 2014 a documentary based around the band was released called Sumé: Mumisitsinerup nipaa (Sumé: The Sound of a Revolution), directed by Inuk Silis Høegh, and providing a retrospective view of Sumé's rise to fame, thus further solidifying their stature as icons of Greenlandic rock: https://www.thesoundofarevolution.com/.



Some clips from the film can be watched here: https://www.youtube.com/@thesoundofarevolution8204/videos.

Prog or not, there's no doubting the impact that these guys had in Greenland back in those early days. I guess they're just not destined to be granted a place on PA.


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Why didn't I think to a poll instead of a thread this morning?

Prog Related is another divisive argument, also because the kind of "relationship" is not clearly defined. One of the site rules says that in order to be considered "prog" an artist must have at least one full prog release. 

So why is Vangelis in prog related and Lucio Battisti, currently on the home page, in RPI? 
Answer: because it mainly depends on who is in the evaluation teams at the time. 

Anyway, one of my collector's goals is to have at least one album from every remote site of the world, and Greenland is currently missing from my collection even if not formally a Nation.
I'll look for Sume

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