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yam yam
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Teramaze are now being evaluated by the current Prog Metal team. In the meantime, while we are waiting for the outcome, here's Wells Music's YouTube upload of the entire 'A Place Called Halo' saga in a single two hour and eighteen minute sitting:
That upload includes the two 56-minute albums 'Eli: A Wonderful Fall From Grace' and 'Her Halo', followed by the 25-minute track 'Sorella Minore'. Whether this band is Prog Metal or not, that's one Hell of an impressive slab of music right there - and this is coming from someone who doesn't normally consider himself to be a 'metalhead', prog or otherwise.
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yam yam
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Quote from another part of the forum after the band cropped up in the discussion
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esha9751
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And then MMA hardly thinks Riverside is metal at all, which quite forced me to rethink my view of the whole genre...
(Riverside used to be a favourite of mine, today I'm more into bands like Distorted Harmony, Haken and the like)
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Yes, it makes absolutely no sense for Riverside to be prog metal but Haken heavy prog. Just ridiculous imo.
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nick_h_nz
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I wasn’t having a go at any member of the prog metal team, nor suggesting their decisions are ever unfair. PA has a very rigid definition of prog metal, and there is nothing wrong with that.
I have never heard a single song from Teramaze, and had always assumed they were just a power metal band. Appearing at ProgPower would never dispel that notion, as the festival is named because it brings together bands from the prog and power metal bands. Some of the bands are one, some are the other, and there are some bands who have a foot in both camps. But there is no doubt that there is a broader view of what constitutes prog metal outside PA, hence why I suggested that, in my opinion, PA is not the best place to look for prog metal specifically. That was not a criticism of PA. I don’t have a problem with the boundaries it has drawn, or with any of the bands it has rejected. It’s not often I can’t see why a band is not accepted into PA, when that occurs. Conversely, I can sometimes understand why others do not see this, as they are aware of the band’s prog metal cred outside PA. Edited by nick_h_nz - January 08 2021 at 14:38 |
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TCat
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The way that PA uses to determine whether an artist should be included in the Archives is quite fair. The members that take the time to review the bands that are suggested are well-versed in their knowledge of progressive rock and, in the case of progressive metal, well-versed in that genre. Everyone has their opinions, which is why we allow team member voting.
Out of all of the times that this band has been suggested, there has only been one "yes" vote for their inclusion. All other votes have been "no", not even a suggestion to be moved to another genre. The fact that this is not the first time they have been rejected shows an overwhelming opinion about the matter. This is not to say that the band doesn't have some progressive elements or that the band is not worthy to be reviewed again upon release of another album. At this time, it is felt among the majority of the team feel that they are not to be included.
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nick_h_nz
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I think PA is probably still the best place to find about prog bands, in general, but when it comes to specifics like prog metal, then it’s not so great. I definitely know and listen to far more bands that I would call prog metal, and which are generally considered to be prog metal outside PA - but are not present here. And often, it’s not because they haven’t been suggested, but because they have not been accepted. If someone is particularly into prog metal, PA is definitely not the best place to look, in my opinion. There’s plenty here - but there’s even more that’s not. (And while you could argue that is the same for all genres on PA, I think some are more “exclusive” than others.) But, as Cristi says, if anyone is looking, you can always post in the forum and there will always be people who can recommend bands that fit the bill, even if they don’t fit PA. 🤗 Edited by nick_h_nz - January 08 2021 at 12:29 |
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Cristi
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PA is still the best place to find about prog bands etc. If you like progressive metal, start a thread and discussion. I have listened to plenty of it. I can say I can help.
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esha9751
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I reckon there’s no judgment about being good enough. Only about being prog enough. So I’ll have to build more resources for finding music when I can’t trust PA to find a band like this for me. (I have no real life support as nobody I know hear these sorts of music).
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Cristi
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progressive metal suits them, but hey, if it's not good enough, then it's not good enough... |
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TCat
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It's also not the first time it's been rejected. It was rejected before with a different PM team.
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Cristi
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really? not good enough for prog metal?
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TCat
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Teramaze has been rejected by the Progressive Metal team.
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Cristi
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well, obviously
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esha9751
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At least we agree about Haken then!
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Cristi
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I agree about Haken. Sieges Even is progressive metal, it should remain there.
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esha9751
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Thanks, both of you for being willing to take it up again.
I really hope VOLA will be reconsidered, seems Applause of a Distant Crowd wasn't part of the evaluation last time. At least crossover or something... --------- Now you're at it, Haken could be moved to prog metal, where they belong, whereas Sieges Even could go into heavy prog... 😉 😉 😉 |
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TCat
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I'll send it through the PM charts again, but honestly, from the previous comments I've read from previous votes, it doesn't sound like things have changed much....it's pretty much decent power metal with hints at progressive sound here and there. We'll see if the others are swayed one way or the other at this point.
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Cristi
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I actually agree, although I dislike the argument, if X is this then so is Y . I think based on the bands last two albums, they deserve a re-evaluation. If they get rejected again, so be it.
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esha9751
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I'm mostly following PA's stylistic guidelines, but in this case I must disagree. If Voyager is prog metal, clearly Teramaze is as well.
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