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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1462 |
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Well, now they have. The black hole at the center of the Milky Way, know as Sagattarius A*, or Sag A Star for short, has been imaged. https://eventhorizontelescope.org/blog/astronomers-reveal-first-image-black-hole-heart-our-galaxy ![]() |
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2707 |
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Here's a (relatively) recent article about black holes. Really good and interesting.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-most-famous-paradox-in-physics-nears-its-end-20201029/ Edited by Archisorcerus - July 22 2022 at 07:23 |
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2dogs ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2011 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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^ Oh you can't see it - that's why it's called a black hole. The Human League can explain it - sort of
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"There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette
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The thing is that you probably couldn't see it. These images are compiled from using transpectral analyses. In other words, compilers of these images use wavelengths of energy far beyond the miniscule spectrum of visible light. What you say might be true if you were actually near it (as far as we know, much of science is theoretical) but imagery can be obtained by energetic differentials that paint a picture.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18066 |
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Hi,
Kinda strange for me to see these images ... because the physics behind it would suggest that if you can see it, you ARE under its influence, and before you can write it down and tell your friend, it would have already swallowed you up! Thus, if seeing is believing, then it's over!
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2dogs ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2011 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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One of the scientists did say though that they weren't going to wait 10 million years to test it
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Accurate to one second in ten million years? A watchmaker's dream.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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2dogs ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2011 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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I watched a fascinating hour long TV programme about this. The team haven’t yet imaged the Sagittarius A* black hole at the centre of our galaxy, this one is in the galaxy M87 55 million light years away. The technical challenges were ridiculous as they had to record the radio signals from all these telescopes to hard drives then combine the data that had been emitted from the source at exactly the same instant - to a million millionth of a second using a very expensive atomic clock accurate to one second in ten million years. But the signals from those instants arrived at each site at different times due to them being at different places on the Earth and the locations of those places needed to be known extremely accurately to work those times out - taking into account the rotation of the Earth, movement of the ice shelf under the Antarctic telescope, continental drift of Hawaii and even the moving bulge in the Earth created by the pull of the Moon. Even then the data needed further processing to interpolate the image from what were effectively a few separated pixels rather than one big camera
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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They have a way of showing up in small masses in hidden places, at least at my house.
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Because guitar picks often disappear never to be seen again, right ? |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Seriously, though, it is truly amazing. And great teamwork with scientists all over the world.
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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They were afraid we would see this:
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67452 |
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she's rly cute though
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A team a 30+ worked on the algorithm... not that BBC cares
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65606 |
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^ Jim Croce ? I did see a shot with better resolution that came out today ~ |
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67452 |
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Interesting how they went for that artsy blur effect in the published photo. What was in the original that they didn't want us to see?
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Just an amazing thing to have done. And brava to the student who helped make it possible.
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It is about thirty thousand times the space on the hard disk of our computer (1.6 terabyte). And there are many many albums and movies on our hard disk. We could never fill that much disk space in any meaningful way in our entire combined lives (meaning the members of our current household, which consists of my wife Jean, our daughters Alice and Dorothy, Jean's sister Bea and me, or in other words the members of our current band project Mother Gaia).
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AZF ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 17 2012 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
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Spare a thought for those radios that played Black Hole Sun and stuff by Muse instead of Rush's Cygnus XI!
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