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    Posted: July 22 2022 at 10:13
Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

...The team haven’t yet imaged the Sagittarius A* black hole at the centre of our galaxy, this one is in the galaxy M87 55 million light years away.


Well, now they have. The black hole at the center of the Milky Way, know as Sagattarius A*, or Sag A Star for short, has been imaged. https://eventhorizontelescope.org/blog/astronomers-reveal-first-image-black-hole-heart-our-galaxy


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Archisorcerus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2022 at 07:21
Here's a (relatively) recent article about black holes. Really good and interesting.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-most-famous-paradox-in-physics-nears-its-end-20201029/


Edited by Archisorcerus - July 22 2022 at 07:23
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 2dogs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2019 at 11:30
^ Oh you can't see it - that's why it's called a black hole. The Human League can explain it - sort of LOL.

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Kinda strange for me to see these images ... because the physics behind it would suggest that if you can see it, you ARE under its influence, and before you can write it down and tell your friend, it would have already swallowed you up!

Thus, if seeing is believing, then it's over!

The thing is that you probably couldn't see it. These images are compiled from using transpectral analyses. In other words, compilers of these images use wavelengths of energy far beyond the miniscule spectrum of visible light. What you say might be true if you were actually near it (as far as we know, much of science is theoretical) but imagery can be obtained by energetic differentials that paint a picture. 

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Hi,

Kinda strange for me to see these images ... because the physics behind it would suggest that if you can see it, you ARE under its influence, and before you can write it down and tell your friend, it would have already swallowed you up!

Thus, if seeing is believing, then it's over!
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Accurate to one second in ten million years?   A watchmaker's dream.

One of the scientists did say though that they weren't going to wait 10 million years to test it LOL.
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Accurate to one second in ten million years?   A watchmaker's dream.
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I watched a fascinating hour long TV programme about this. The team haven’t yet imaged the Sagittarius A* black hole at the centre of our galaxy, this one is in the galaxy M87 55 million light years away. The technical challenges were ridiculous as they had to record the radio signals from all these telescopes to hard drives then combine the data that had been emitted from the source at exactly the same instant - to a million millionth of a second using a very expensive atomic clock accurate to one second in ten million years. But the signals from those instants arrived at each site at different times due to them being at different places on the Earth and the locations of those places needed to be known extremely accurately to work those times out - taking into account the rotation of the Earth, movement of the ice shelf under the Antarctic telescope, continental drift of Hawaii and even the moving bulge in the Earth created by the pull of the Moon. Even then the data needed further processing to interpolate the image from what were effectively a few separated pixels rather than one big camera .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2019 at 16:50
They have a way of showing up in small masses in hidden places, at least at my house.  
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

They were afraid we would see this:  


Because guitar picks often disappear never to be seen again, right ?


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Seriously, though, it is truly amazing.  And great teamwork with scientists all over the world.  

Edited by Snicolette - April 12 2019 at 13:45
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2019 at 13:44
They were afraid we would see this:  
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she's rly cute though
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Triceratopsoil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2019 at 12:15
A team a 30+ worked on the algorithm... not that BBC cares
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2019 at 20:00
^ Jim Croce ?

I did see a shot with better resolution that came out today ~


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vompatti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2019 at 11:50
Interesting how they went for that artsy blur effect in the published photo. What was in the original that they didn't want us to see?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2019 at 09:52
Just an amazing thing to have done.  And brava to the student who helped make it possible.  Clap
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

And here's the person behind the algorithm that made the picture possible, 29-year-old computer scientist Katie Bouman:


Other sources say that all of the telescopes involved in this amassed 5 petabytes of data. That's a lot of disc space.

It is about thirty thousand times the space on the hard disk of our computer (1.6 terabyte). And there are many many albums and movies on our hard disk. We could never fill that much disk space in any meaningful way in our entire combined lives (meaning the members of our current household, which consists of my wife Jean, our daughters Alice and Dorothy, Jean's sister Bea and me, or in other words the members of our current band project Mother Gaia).


Edited by BaldFriede - April 11 2019 at 08:21


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AZF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2019 at 08:05
Spare a thought for those radios that played Black Hole Sun and stuff by Muse instead of Rush's Cygnus XI!
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