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Gilliam has been far more consistent over his career. When Del Toro is on, he is really on, like with Pan's Labyrinth or The Devil's Backbone, but there is a lot of terrible junk he's directed.
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For me, TWELVE MONKEYS is a film that is hacked from last century to this one, and it hurts its story, that is so fragmented that the "love story" doesn't make sense at all, and in the middle of it all, the rest of the story is left behind ... and I think this is all just another famous fight by Gilliam with the studio when he turned up with a film that was too long! I like THE FISHER KING a lot, and think that the acting in that film by the leads is incredible and totally far out, and the OSCAR ends up in the hands of someone else ... how's that for irony! But she was good! BARON is a very strong film for my imagination because in one scene it makes a marriage of theater and film, like no one else can, and lights up the images in your head like crazy ... you and I never thought of "theater" as being as strong as the images film can produce, but in one head turn, it's like ... it doesn't matter, it's the same thing ... and the whole film vibrates really well in that area between theater and film vision, something that is hard to do and even harder to put into words. Theater relies on its WORDS to live, and if things are not delivered with a really strong visual effort, things tend to go downhill and bore the audience to pieces ... whereas film can cheat and change images faster and prevent your mind from getting bored so fast ... and is the main reason why folks in America do not frequent theater, other than the silly redos of musicals in New York. It's hard to believe that folks are happy and satisfied with those shows ... yet again! I find that both Toro and Burton, do not have that strength and continued life that the films continuously show.
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Terry Gilliam directed the second best film ever, The Fisher King, which just edges out the third best film ever, The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. But neither of these are quite as good as the best film ever; Twelve Monkeys, whoever did that one.
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i just saw Dumbo by Burton, and honestly its a 5/10 star movie. I was a little dissapointed. Knowing how imaginative Tim B can be. Here he sort of felt confused with what message and focus to give the film. It was slightly lackluster - i had hopes, some of the magoc was there, some interesting twists were added " oohh thats kinda elegant". To be fair though it is a very difficult movie to do, what should you aim for. How much fantasy and how much realisme shall you depict. Ironlicly Tim went for the more realistic and down to earth style, which is wierd knowing the premise for Dumbo. it Could be sader snd could be more spectscular, thougj the flyinh scenes were done really good. The largest Oops for this film was its lack of Dumbo in the movie. The plot in the film overshadowed slightly the Elephant. Its observational role was lost in translation.
+ Danny DeVito Some good scenes. good action ÷ To litle Dumbo to much realisme Pore "pink elephant" section Michael Keaton :'( Edited by Icarium - April 15 2019 at 08:59 |
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One of the extremely rare situations that I cannot really choose.
Guillermo Del Toro, maybe. Yet all the 3 are amazing in their style. |
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Del Toro, by far. Cronos The Devil's Backbone Pan's Labyrinth Pacific Rim (one of my favorite films) Crimson Peak The Shape of Water (amazing) Del Toro's only misfire is Blade 2. It's a waste of his talent and the studio's resources. Hard to believe he made that film. The Hellboy movies are fun, but I've never had a great interest in the character or the comics. That said, I was disappointed when he stepped away from the Justice League Dark project for WB.
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Gilliam by a large margin.
I do enjoy Del Toro's films though. Burton is ok I guess. But I feel he has been repeating himself a lot throughout the last 20 years of his career and the quality of his works has diminished vastly, with a couple of exceptions in the middle (Big Fish) |
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Gilliam.
I have seen only the Shape of the water by Del Toro. Beautiful. Tim Burton doesnt excite me.
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Hard to say ... his films, in America, are not always well received ... for example, SANTA SANGRE almost went directly to video, and I only caught it because the video store I frequented for many years had a nice selection of foreign films. They did not have THE HOLY MOUNTAIN, and later they came up with a used copy of EL TOPO, that I was told no one had selected, except me ... I had not seen the film yet, but it had been a darling in many film festival, as weird, off kilter stuff, usually is. And this is the hardest part ... I was going through a couple of film places online, and none of his films were listed that I could find, and doing a search? ... even worse. Europe has a better relationship with artistic works, from visionaries and it is likely that it comes via their usual respect for a lot of film (except one group of folks, that always thinks someone put salt in their coffee! Ahhhh, the drink of the devil 500 years ago!) and these things are better respected, even for their strangeness factor.
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^ I thought of mentioning Alejandro Jodorowsky soon after making my list, good call.
I like Burton films, but none of his films have had the impact on me as my favourite Gilliam or del Toro. I'm rather surprised to see del Toro with not only no votes, but no specific mentions in posts other than by me and in the OP, even if just on the strength of Pan's Labyrinth (that said, not many have participated in the poll or discussion yet). But I also liked The Devil's Backbone, Cronos, The Shape of Water, Crimson Peak and Hellboy very much. Edited by Logan - March 21 2019 at 13:53 |
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I would have thrown Alejandro Jodorowsky into the bunch.
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My error and I corrected it ... thx for the help on that!
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I thought of addimg Wes Anderson to the poll as well, he uses some of the comparable quirk and vast knowledge of movie wisdome in hes production.
what makes Burton, Gilliam and del Toro so remarkable is their ability to combine their enthusiasme for film, their encyclopedic knowledge of various film trends, stylistical elememts in wide range of genres ( im both fiction and realisme), yet a certain ratinoale sense. They all know of the past eposes and knows how to wove it into their interpretation. Yet a healthy ballance of comedy and tragedy. They all seem to know the bases of Nitezhean Apollonian and Dionysian conflict/symbiosis. Edited by Icarium - March 20 2019 at 13:49 |
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Netflix's Trollhunters as best Guillermo del Toro's masterpiece? I enjoyed it, but I doubt mnay would consider it to be his masterpiece. I'd nominate Pan's Labyrinth for that honour (one of the very greatest films of this millennium so far for me). Three directors with stylistic similarities, but since Gilliam influenced del Toro and Burton (and because Gilliam is one of my very favourite directors, I feel I should vote for him, but I am tempted to vote for del Toro today). My favourite film by each director: Gilliam - Brazil del Toro - Pan's Labyrinth Burton - Big Fish As del Toro said of Gilliam: "Gilliam gave birth to an aesthetic- now supplanted and enhanced with gloss collagen by others but lacking his verve, bite and romanticism." Fans of these should check out Jeunet et Caro films such as Delicatessen, City of Lost Children, and Amelie, as well as the Norwegian film The Bothersome Man, as well as Michel Gondry (eternal Sunhine of the Spotless Mind), Paul Thomas Anderson, Wes Anderson, Lynch, Jonze, Jarmusch, Kubrick, Coen Brothers, Lindsay Anderson, Fellini's 8 and a Half, and others. And I think such people would enjoy this short film, West of the Moon: https://www.shortoftheweek.com/2013/05/06/west-of-the-moon/ And I guess Trollhunters fans might want to check out another Norwegian film, Trollhunter, I know you know it, Icarium. |
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when Michael Keaton gets time and freedom to delve deep into character development, he showes why hes one of th most high regarded actors. Hes a very fairly rated character actor whom excells in many portraits of eccentric characters, being it Bruce Wayne /Batman, Beetlejuice or in the upcomming Dumbo.
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^ Pulp Fiction is Tarantino.
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