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NetsNJFan 
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 Topic: Zappa didn’t take himself very seriously
Posted: September 25 2005 at 12:10 |
 
what a dumb thread
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S Lang
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 04:33 |
I'd say Zappa was serious enough about the shallowness of humans, enough to take him to the grave with understandable disgust.
The man was the greatest humanitarian in our lifetimes, expressing himself in a humorous, crazy, upsetting manner that alienated 99% of his potential admirers. He took no prisoners and paid the price for his courage. In my perception, he put a mirror in front of many of us, asking the question - Is this what you really are? Shallow and a piece of excrement?
He took no prisoners and didn't spare my idols either for an understandable reason. HE LET GO OF EGO by then. The man is a legend and whilst it's somewhat sad, he had to forego words and express feelings in music instead. For that, we all are better off - without having to find a mirror.....
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Odd24
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 03:35 |
We're only in it for the money
is Frank Zappa to it's full potential. I just wished he made more albums like that. He has a conceptual view of folk, prog and classical influences (WOIIFTM proofs it, it's full of it) and still he made albums full of jams after WOIIFTM. I don't say jams are bad, but on some albums the jams are too long. And that is something I don't understand...most bands make jams too long if they don't have a conceptual view on folk, prog and classical influences so they cannot come up with something different then a long jam...
But I must say that "Son of Mr. Green Genes" is an example of a long jam that is good. That song contains enough dynamics to make it interesting for a listener.
Edited by Odd24
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Right down the line
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Ofur
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 02:59 |
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Overused? Are the walls in your home covered with this photo or maybe just the bathroom?
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 02:53 |
overused photo 
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Ofur
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 02:51 |
Here is a photo that says more than words ever could.
http://www.whocollection.com/ZappaOA304.JPG
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Ofur
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 22:55 |
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Look, for every 20 humorous songs Zappa makes he makes one serious, or something like that and they are usually only serious because they are instrumental. Clearly he was as good as incapable of being serious. Thus no contradiction in anything I ever said!
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 22:31 |
Wow...
Ofur gets the Special Progarchives Award for Best Contradiction of Opinions!
Everyone, let's give Ofur a cheer!
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Biggles
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 19:34 |
 Ofur wrote:
con safo wrote:
Ofur wrote:
Right, anyway I think he wasn't capable of making music that was totally serious. |
Thats an awfully stupid thing to say. I'm sure he was VERY capable of doing serious music but it just wouldnt be him. Anyways if you want zappa without the humour look into some of his more instrumental albums.. Grand Wazoo, Hot Rats
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I don't want Zappa without the humor.
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Wait, so first you complain that he didn't make serious music, and then you'd say that you'd much rather he hadn't made serious music?
You've lost me.
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The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
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FragileDT
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 19:23 |
Watching this topic develop is hilarious. I cant even believe Ofur is content
with contradicting himself 200 times. At least there are people like Ofur in
the world that give us all a good laugh.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Biggles
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 19:20 |
I personally think that Ofur is from an alternate universe wherein people show their appreciation for art by violently criticizing it. It is the only logical conclusion I could come to.
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The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
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con safo
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 19:08 |
lmao this was great. i dont think ive ever seen someone change their opinions so much in one thread. hahaha. 
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thrang theng
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:52 |
He used humor as a way to fight some aspects of the contemporary american society and majors businness. That what is stated in his biography... He went to Court for some lirycs as well in the '80s.
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Take my fire
Take my food and water
Forget about those promises
Of social good and social order...
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the icon of sin
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:46 |
Many of Zappa's (mostly) instrumental albums such as Sleep Dirt, Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo are 90% serious. Even albums that are pretty crazy (Studio Tan and We're Only In It come to mind) have serious messages underneath the coating. For example, the latter is incredibly anti-drugs and "The Adventures of Greggary Peccary" from the former takes shots at mass corporations.
I guess it was his way of presenting his opinions in a different way to everyone else. Which brings us back to why he is so special, because he can combine these 2 emotions in music so effortlessly.
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thrang theng
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:36 |
I've noticed that more the thread is related to humor more pages are added to it. So I'm glad to participate to this humoristic thread about the humor of our beloved FZ. Maybe we should go into details. Is it "Shut up and play yer guitar" serious or humoristic? The titles would indicate the second option but the music sometimes is serious. IT is really confusing isn't it?
Maybe he was taking a laugh of us all????
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Take my fire
Take my food and water
Forget about those promises
Of social good and social order...
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DEzerov
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:57 |
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Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is
so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute
that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the
basic building block of the universe.
The present day composer refuses to die.........
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The moon is made by some lame cooper and you can see the idiot has no idea about moons at all - Nikolay Gogol
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:56 |
chopper wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
ofur is definetly the funniest guy on the forum...this thread gave me the biggest laugh in ages...GO OFUR |
Me too, "I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica, I just don't like Trout Mask Replica". Top man.
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ah great just read his other threads about prog fans being old farts and stuff...really funny
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Chipiron
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:54 |
... I'm scared... Shall I take myself seriously or not? I don't think I'll get some sleep tonight..
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chopper
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:50 |
maidenrulez wrote:
ofur is definetly the funniest guy on the forum...this thread gave me the biggest laugh in ages...GO OFUR |
Me too, "I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica, I just don't like Trout Mask Replica". Top man.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:48 |
ofur is definetly the funniest guy on the forum...this thread gave me the biggest laugh in ages...GO OFUR
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