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Review King Crimson 31 October 2018 |
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sparj ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2019 Location: lunel (france) Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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We had the chance to saw them 2 times this year, it was incredible to be in front of such a spiralic, fascinating sound, wich is a synthesis of so many kind of music, rock, flok, classical, jazz, electronic, world... Crimson still the more prominent band in contempory music for me...
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AEProgman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2012 Location: Toadstool Status: Offline Points: 1789 |
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^ Very nice review!
![]() I have been slightly obsessed with KC since seeing them on the 2017 tour (for the 1rst time). Never thought I would ever see any version of KC, in North Carolina no less. Not your hot bed of prog rock area for sure. There were some youngsters there also. Most were men, I guess 70% or more. Although there was a couple sitting in front of us, and the woman seemed to be more of the fan than the man ![]() I agree they do get heavy a bit, but when those softer quiet moments comes, it makes them stand out more (to me). I would have loved to see them play Cat Food and A Sailor's Tale. I was pleased when they played 4 songs off of ITCOTCK album being my first time seeing them, including Moonchild. Indiscipline opened the 2nd set, loved the drummers interplay on the opening. I really love the 3 drummers up front and the rest of the band behind and elevated. I sort of liked the tone of the band just performing like an orchestra would without a lot of movement. I recently picked up an "Ultimate Music Guide to King Crimson" magazine put out by Uncut publications (very good). In it was an article from 2013 titled "We Shall Not Boogie" which sums up their live performances.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15112 |
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I'm happy to have seen them another time yesterday, this time in the Roman arena in Verona, normally a world famous opera venue, and an incredible setting for the band. It was again an unforgettable experience. They only managed to fill the venue about half, which doesn't really surprise me as, legends or not, they never had the commercial appeal of Pink Floyd, Genesis, Radiohead etc. I'm happy that they did it; I hope they didn't lose much money in this way. It may win them some new fans there because I saw a good number of young faces, parents brought their children and some certainly decided to go because the venue adds to the attraction. They apparently always change the set list. Some things that I haven't seen on the set lists here and they hadn't played in London when I saw them in October last year were Cat Food, Frame By Frame and The Sheltering Sky. Discipline has always been my favourite album and I was very happy that they did these (plus the reliable highlight Indiscipline that should always be there and in fact mostly is), both in shiny new arrangements. The Sheltering Sky in particular was a real highlight, here and in some other parts they left themselves some space for improvisation, and Sheltering Sky has such a unique relaxed atmosphere and is in quite some contrast to the heavy sound elsewhere. Frame by Frame got quite some makeover started off with melodic percussion and pretty laid back vocals before eventually all seven band members get busy. Very interesting, although I prefer the leaner version on Discipline. There was one pretty good song that I didn't recognize. I wouldn't guarantee that 100% of their catalogue is on my radar but surely the vast majority is. I'd be delighted if this were a new one, maybe they come out with some entirely new music apart from their creative new arrangements and drum interludes? After all that touring what about doing a studio album for a change? Surely they proved already that the spark is still there! Another thing that they hadn't played when I saw them before (neither last October nor in any earlier incarnation I had seen) was Moonchild, mentioned already by others on this tour. Moonchild was really, really wonderful. They shortened the instrumental part a bit but what they did was minimalist, meditative, artful and impressive, You could hear a needle drop. Compared with the London concert in my impression the melodic parts and songs shone more whereas for me at least there was less of a surprise factor in the interplay of the drummers and the drumming dominated parts weren't changed or rather reduced a bit. Further highlights included once more Island, The Court of the Crimson King and predictably the ending section with Indiscipline, Starless and the encore Schizoid Man. I liked occasional jazzy bits and rare hints at "contemporary classic"/minimalist music. A criticism is that they have a lot of tracks that are based on heavy guitar riffs varied and modulated through the keys, and in the first half for my taste they picked too much of that stuff, ConstrKction of Light, Level Five, LTIA IV, also many older songs such as One More Red Nightmare have parts of this kind (there's even more such as Red that they didn't do), and this gets a bit repetitive, be it their signature sound. And then (but this isn't a criticism, just a thought) it always strikes me that some of their music is quite physical, yet (apart from Masteletto and Harrison on occasion) it is all presented in a quite body-less, intellectual way and surely they wouldn't want to see anyone run to the front and dance. Everybody is seated and hardly anyone is moving. Of course one can say "all are listening, what could be better" but it's rock music, isn't it, so some rocking should be fine!? I also wondered whether this is quite a male thing (the line-up itself is heavily imbalanced but of course they're not alone), although this time the audience was balanced better than in London (where it seemed 80-90% male) with many fathers bringing their teenage or twen daughters who seemed to have a good time. Any thoughts? Edited by Lewian - July 09 2019 at 11:32 |
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MrMHead ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 30 2018 Location: CLE Status: Offline Points: 84 |
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Got the Tix
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No Civilization here. Tried it on but it would not fit.
Seems only a thin veneer. A little rubbing and it comes off quick. - The Bears |
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MrMHead ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 30 2018 Location: CLE Status: Offline Points: 84 |
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Just booked at the Rocksino (Northfield, Ohio, outside of Cleveland) again for September!!
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No Civilization here. Tried it on but it would not fit.
Seems only a thin veneer. A little rubbing and it comes off quick. - The Bears |
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MrMHead ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 30 2018 Location: CLE Status: Offline Points: 84 |
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They've started booking US dates. Chicago - Sept 10, 2019 Hoping they'll book in Cleveland again. Saw them last year at the Hard Rock Rocksino |
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No Civilization here. Tried it on but it would not fit.
Seems only a thin veneer. A little rubbing and it comes off quick. - The Bears |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13779 |
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Thanks for all the replies.
There is a consensus. Crimson are simply on another planet when it comes to quality and the pleasure given ![]() |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Yep! Consistent with my London experience last Friday. Wonderful show, and I agree about Islands. Beautiful.
Crimson are pure quality, in all their manifestations. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29258 |
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Yes this certainly marries up with the experience I had at the Bournemouth Pavillion a few days earlier. Cheers!
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Progfan1958 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 18 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 572 |
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Hi Steve,
Well I'm glad you finally got to see them. This current incarnation is a superb set of musicians, and Robert seems really happy, which is saying something. I'm glad he's keeping the band alive now, going on a record 5+ years with basically the same lineup. If you know of his gripe with the record industry, and how he had withdrawn from it for a while, I applaud him for re-engaging on his own terms and allowing the fans to show their appreciation for the art he and his associates create. I hope they keep going for as long as possible.
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Thanks for the great review
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AEProgman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2012 Location: Toadstool Status: Offline Points: 1789 |
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Tony Levin has posted his photos of the Cardiff show. URL below.
https://tonylevin.com/road-diaries/king-crimson-2018-meltdown-tour/cardiff-show One of his photos was quite humorous, he captured (of the crowd ) at the show. ![]() ![]() Edited by AEProgman - November 03 2018 at 07:35 |
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7405 |
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Steve, thanks for your fine review!! You saw one of my favorite bands in Cardiff, one of my favorite cities in the British isles!
I saw a similar show in Chicago in 2017, and it was truly remarkable. I'm jealous about the Brazilian dinner however!! Cheers, Charles in Chicago
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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excellent review. they are quite the force.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15112 |
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Haha, I avoided reading the review because I didn't want to see the track list in advance. It wasn't 100% the same today though. Great review! I was smiling throughout the concert. I was skeptical that it'd be too nostalgic for me, but not a bit. There's still innovation and creativity in the band. Very exciting use of the three drummers; there is some heavy noise element in King Crimson through their entire career and the three drummers feel totally natural for their music, exactly what the heavy riff dominated portion of their material needed. Nice contrast between the heavy, math rocky, more lyrical, subtle and free jazzy elements. At the same time very versatile and totally unmistakable. Nobody comes close to what they're capable of. The line-up is great, I always was a fan of Levin, Mel Collins is a great addition wherever he hadn't originally been present; I hadn't got warm with Mastelotto before but this time I was very impressed by his drumming. Jakszyk's voice fits the vast majority of the songs very well - I particularly liked his melody in Indiscipline; I'd have though it would be very hard to replace Belew on this long-standing live highlight but Jakszyk really made it his own.
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Great review. I have had the fortune to seeing them twice. First time, like you a long held desire, in 2014 in San Francisco - an incredible show. Went solo (my wife accompanied me to San Francisco, but let's be honest, she won't have enjoyed the show and neither would I !-) ). Like you, high point for me in that show as Starless - never in a million years thought I would get the chance to hear it performed live. Then on this last tour in the US, 2017, I got to see them on by Birthday in Seattle. For that gig, I treated myself and my best friend to the "royal" package, part of which was a pre-show question and answer with Jakko. He was fantastic - great sense of humor, engaging, and just bubbling with enthusiasm for the group, his role in it, and the music. If they come back to the States again, I will be sure to see them again.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20649 |
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Wonderful story and details of the set list ,etc......thanks for that.
I saw KC two times in the mid to late 90's both times in Chicago. I hope to see them again should they ever return to Chicago....
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Fantastic review lazland! You really bring the whole experience to life.
I'm seeing them on Saturday. I was already excited and after reading your review I'm now salivating. Hoping I enjoy it as much as you did. Thanks for posting. Really appreciate it. |
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AEProgman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2012 Location: Toadstool Status: Offline Points: 1789 |
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![]() Actually yesterday I received my Meltdown - Live in Mexico CDs/DVD and watched the DVD last night probably about the time you were leaving the show there. I got to relive it again! The DVD I thought was awesome.
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