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NetsNJFan
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Topic: Which of these 2 songs do you prefer? Posted: January 28 2006 at 19:47 |
CTTE - I love both though a great deal, but CTTE is the ultimate prog song from the ultimate prog album.
Both 5 star masterpieces though.
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 19:38 |
Suppers ready goes silly after 10 minutes. Close to the edge for sure :)
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 19:26 |
eduardossc wrote:
Letīs compare:
Vocals: Peter Gabriel.- The most theatrical and expressive vocalist in the prog world ever
Jon Anderson.- The least expressive
Lyrics: Close to the edge: "Close to the edge down by the corner, close to the edge down by the river", "Close to the edge down by the corner, close to the edge down by the river", "Close to the edge down by the corner, close to the edge down by the river", "Close to the edge down by the corner, close to the edge down by the river",
"I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down,"I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, I get up I get down, .
Supperīs ready: With the guards of magog, swarming around, The pied piper takes his children underground. Dragons coming out of the sea, Shimmering silver head of wisdom looking at me. He brings down the fire from the skies, You can tell he's doing well by the look in human eyes. Better not compromise. It won't be easy.
666 is no longer alone, He's getting out the marrow in your back bone, And the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll, Gonna blow right down inside your soul. Pythagoras with the looking glass reflects the full moon, In blood, he's writing the lyrics of a brand new tune.
And it's hey babe, with your guardian eyes so blue, Hey my baby, don't you know our love is true, I've been so far from here, Far from your loving arms, Now i'm back again, and babe it's gonna work out fine.
Songwriting: (Includes creativity, innovation, song structure)
Close to the edge: An 18 minutes Prog-pop song. With the structure of a conventional pop song. Simple line catchy Choruses repeated over and over. Repeated themes more than once. Simplistic middle section of 5 minutes with yet simplier chorus repeated for a hundred times.
Supperīs ready: Full of diferent images, moods, ideas, concepts, sounds, feelings..you name it. Not a single second wasted with no music like "I get up I get down".
Supperīs ready never repeats a single word. Or at least, they donīt do it with the intention of making it catchy, as a pop band would.
It may well be considered a 23 minutes song made out of 5 different songs, yes. However, Iīd rather listen to these 23 minutes of creativity than to a 3-chorus-driven-18-minutes-pop-song with great playing. Plus, there is nothing as original and bizarre in "Close" as "Apocalypse in 9/8".
Playing: YES thinks playing music is an olympic discipline. Still, itīs not that impressive when you realize the strongest aspect of their playing is the individual playing. Every single instrument sounds clean and perfect, strong and powerful. However, after paying attention youīll reallize the instrumentals are always driven by this drum and bass layer that work as base for the multi notes per second of Wakeman all over. Pay attention to the Bass and drums, they never change dramatically to shift the direction of the instrumentals. I repeat, everything sounds great but itīs not as complex as many argue.
About Genesisīplaying. They may never show off. They may even could have not. Still, they are not any "one arm musicians" either. Yet, I think the instrumental in "apocalypse" is played in a more interesting way as a team than anything in "Close".
So, a 3-1 score for "Supperīs ready". Vs. the multi commented PROG-POP song "Close to the edge"
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So.................................... What's wrong with a song being catchy then?
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 19:25 |
The choice between these "dinosaur" epics of prog is like "what do you like more, oranges or bananas"
Well, I like both.
But I voted for CTTE. No argumentation, though, just the feeling of the moment. Both are 6/5 on my scale.
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 19:25 |
Gentle Tull wrote:
two of my three favorite songs....
but I'll go for Supper's Ready. |
Same here, but I'll go for CttE .
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 19:14 |
CTTE.
Perhamps the greatst piece of music ever written.
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 15:53 |
Kotro wrote:
ECHOES |
Yeah we get it! you like Pink Floyd!
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 15:49 |
Ctte , more interesting than suppers Ready
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 14:14 |
Close to the Edge
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 12:16 |
ECHOES
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Bigger on the inside.
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 12:13 |
Another hard choice. Close To The Edge is a classic piece of work, very, very good (Although I like Gates Of Delirium and Awaken better)
Suppers Ready is pure genius. Couldn't not vote for it.
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 11:58 |
two of my three favorite songs....
but I'll go for Supper's Ready.
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 11:27 |
chopper wrote:
Not much between the two, but I go for CTTE. It's more of a complete
work, whereas SR is a collection of songs joined together (albeit in a
rather brilliant way).
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agreed the shear compositional effort required to do a...18 minute long
song, plus of course that intro... plus that organ solo... plus
the 'I get up, I get down' section trumps Winston Churchill
dressed in drag hahahha.
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 11:01 |
Close to the Edge. Suppers ready isn't even my fav by Genesis. But it's a matter of time, I think.
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 09:17 |
Supper's Ready
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 19:18 |
Suppers ready for me
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 18:42 |
Close to the Edge
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 10:39 |
eduardossc wrote:
gok22us wrote:
All in all, i'll pick Close to the Edge because of the sheer immediate and lasting effect that the song has. However, i'm very unhappy calling Supper's Ready worse than anything.
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"Close" has that immediate and lasting effect because it has those poppy and catchy choruses all over. At the end of the song and afterwards you will always remember first:
"I get up I get down, I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down"
way before any serious line in "Supperīs ready".
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you can't be serious
"there's Winston Churchill dressed in drag, he used to be a British flag, plastic bag, what a drag."
that line kills me everytime.
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Space is dark it is so endless
When you're lost it's so relentless
It is so big, it is small
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 10:36 |
gok22us wrote:
All in all, i'll pick Close to the Edge because of the sheer immediate and lasting effect that the song has. However, i'm very unhappy calling Supper's Ready worse than anything.
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"Close" has that immediate and lasting effect because it has those poppy and catchy choruses all over. At the end of the song and afterwards you will always remember first:
"I get up I get down, I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down,I get up I get down"
way before any serious line in "Supperīs ready".
Donīt feel unhappy. I regularily want to listen to songs like "Electric blue" by Icehouse, "Broken wings" by Mr. mister, "Everybody have fun tonight" by Wang chung, etc. before getting in the mood for paying the necessary attention to something like "A cena per esempio" by Banco.
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 10:22 |
gok22us wrote:
Well, it's really tough.
Close to the Edge, was the track that sold me to prog rock. It's genious, so cohesive, interesting musically, but so catchy. Very accessible, but not shabby musically either.
Suppers Ready, is also absolute genious. The song is very intense, however, it doesn't seem as much as one song as it does 5 songs sewn together. That being said, it works EXTREMELY well. And Peter Gabriel is like the best vocalist in prog.
All in all, i'll pick Close to the Edge because of the sheer immediate and lasting effect that the song has. However, i'm very unhappy calling Supper's Ready worse than anything. |
I couldn't have said that any better. Though I'd put Greg Lake by a hair over Gabriel.
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Space is dark it is so endless
When you're lost it's so relentless
It is so big, it is small
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