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Endless Dream vs Home by the Sea
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Poll Question: Which song do you like better?
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    Posted: October 24 2024 at 17:35
Phil Collins' awful 1980s singing is probably the only factor in my decision to vote for Endless Dream.
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Both are enjoyable , voted 'Home'
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I decided to check out some of Endless Dream a little earlier (bits and pieces scanning though the track), but it is too AOR for my tastes. Not my cup of tea. That is a good Genesis track.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

I enjoyed Genesis much more than I did TALK, and even as songs, Home by the Sea is better
Yup Home By the Sea is really great songwriting and a memorable tune while for me Endless Really just a unlistenable mess disguised as "prog". The Genesis song feature the most advanced and sophisticated music really. 

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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ Indeed I mostly listen to the live versions of the 80's Genesis songs, if they exist. They sound more alive, less controled, less manufactured. Specially with the drums.

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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

I enjoyed Genesis much more than I did TALK, and even as songs, Home by the Sea is better
Yup Home By the Sea is really great songwriting and a memorable tune while for me Endless Really just a unlistenable mess disguised as "prog". The Genesis song feature the most advanced and sophisticated music really. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

We're prog fans so this probably doesn't mean much but the self titled Genesis album sold over 4 million copies and Talk sold maybe 200,000 (if that). Both US sales.

Well we know that Genesis were beginning to shift serious quantities at that time partly because of Phil Collins raised profile I imagine.

It seems that Yes and ELP between them managed to push Victory Music over the edge of the cliff in 1994.



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HbtS for purely nostalgic reasons and I enjoy both, although I have to admit I have neither of these pieces in my collection these days...
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I enjoyed Genesis much more than I did TALK, and even as songs, Home by the Sea is better
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We're prog fans so this probably doesn't mean much but the self titled Genesis album sold over 4 million copies and Talk sold maybe 200,000 (if that). Both US sales.
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I voted for "Home by the Sea/Second Home by the Sea" only because I've never liked that little "televangelist" bit that Trevor Rabin throws in just because he knew he could get away with it! The rest of "Endless Dream" is flawless.
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^ Indeed I mostly listen to the live versions of the 80's Genesis songs, if they exist. They sound more alive, less controled, less manufactured. Specially with the drums.
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always liked Endless Dream and Talk as a whole. It's a poppy proggy affair, very nicely produced and gave the Victory music label a nice boost until ELP eventually brought it down with ITHS.

I have virtually zero interest in Genesis studio albums post Duke. I still don't own 'Genesis', IT or WCD. They all have some good tracks but mosytly don't care and the 80's ones are made worse by having the very typical plastic production style of the time which I dislike. The Way We Walk 'The Longs' does have more acceptable live versions of their best 80's and 90's stuff. Play HBTS and Domino  loud and the floor rocks! Much more fun than their anaemic studio efforts.
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Home by the Sea. My pants are determined to handle all this meatloaf, scrambled eggs, trash trucks, and semi-arid mountain ranges.
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any song with a long Banks solo is ok by me---Endless nightmare isn't my thing---that whole album is meh
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Both are awful (except the first 90 seconds of Endless Dream.)
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A rare vote for Collins-era Genesis from me. A strong late-period highlight.
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Creeping up the blindside, sheening up the wall; moving through the dark of night...

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Endless Dream hands down.  
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Home By The Sea for me !!
Nothing on Talk really did anything for me.


This----didn't like Talk either--for me Big Generator is Yes west best---the pop songs are well written and the few proggish songs are decent----on ED Rabin does his typical guitar riffs---there are some nice moments but I love Banks and his keyboard work on Home by the Sea
Banks mostly plays with great taste in mind. This 2 parter is a great example. This was the first Genesis album I heard back in '86 (along with Invisible Touch) - I preferred it to IT after the first listen of each. I love this 'Shapes' album (side 1 more than side 2) and hold my regard of it being a respectable, 80's X-over Prog album.
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