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Warthur
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Topic: Kansas cancels the whole european tour Posted: June 06 2017 at 05:15 |
FWIW, despite a terror attack happening in London over the weekend, the tribute concert for those killed in Manchester still went ahead.
It's scary stuff, but it's like school shootings in the US - they make a lot of media noise, but the chances of you personally getting caught up in it are remote. Nobody reports the thousands of US schools that didn't have a shooting today, nobody reports the millions of people in Europe who weren't involved in a terrorist attack today - same principle. It was much the same when the IRA were still actively bombing places.
(Incidentally, don't listen to Nigel Farage when he claims that a terrorist bombing in Manchester would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. Not only was it decidedly thinkable, but it actually happened - it was one of the last major IRA bombings before the peace deal.)
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richardh
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Posted: June 06 2017 at 01:56 |
Appears that the US government had actually got some viable intel ( for a change ) . Sad that Kansas could not perform. I was lucky enough to see them at the Shepherds Bush Empire back in about 2004 and it was one of the best gigs I've seen especially for an 'ageing prog band'. They really went for it and Steve Walsh was near god like that night. Anyway I just hope that Europe and especially the UK can become a safer place to encourage bands to come in the future.
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moshkito
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Posted: May 29 2017 at 12:49 |
After the news in Manchester, I suppose that KANSAS made a good call in terms of cancelling their tour.
But I have mixed feelings.
It's easy to see why a group of folks would target some of the women in concert, when they are half dressed/undressed, and not covered ... is my senile way of looking at things, and seeing those concerts as a huge commercial potential and result is obviously a very big threat that will (eventually) split up the younger folks that know, or have seen the rest of the world.
Thus, in many ways, I would rather the band went on their tour and say something nice and polite, and maybe send a nice prayer, or song, to those that have died ... because they loved music! Instead, the band cancels it all.
If this was (basically) due to the lack or sales in various places that were putting the whole tour on financial strains and straits, that's understandable ... but it should be ackowledged, rather than hidden, I think! However, that is my call, not the band's.
I'm not sure, that a rock concert is any safer than a soccer stadium in Europe, or a football stadium in America ... but the financial side of it, is something that you and I are not exactly aware of to be able to know/understand the reasons a bit better.
But seeing what happened last week, is sort of like saying ... I told you so ... and that is kinda scary ... even though I do not think that KANSAS has any more chances of getting attacked, any more than many European bands that have a much stronger and louder political content, than we usually accept ... I'm, pretty sure we don't want Osanna, or Savage Rose ... or a few other bands ... get ripped apart the same way a concert did in England! Or worse, have one of our favorite bands, get torn up ... which makes Roger Waters, a very visible target, doesn't it?
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Posted: May 25 2017 at 08:54 |
^And you.
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Posted: May 25 2017 at 02:54 |
Apparently the terrorist was a bit of a misogynist. He disagreed with the lyrical import of Ariana Grande's music (according to evidence). Some notes were found and this conclusion was reached by the media.
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 23 2017 at 08:51 |
I agree...why target an event populated by kids, why target ANY event???......I read some stuff from Ariana I cannot imagine how devastated she must be after last night.
Cowards.......
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Posted: May 23 2017 at 05:16 |
Awful news about last night's concert tragedy, what kind of person would target an audience of teenagers? I was at a concert at a reasonable-sized, well-known venue in London last night and there was absolutely no security. There was a sign up saying you could only take one bag in per person but they only checked tickets on the door.
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Posted: May 22 2017 at 23:05 |
I have just switched the news on. Police are treating it as a terrorist incident. It was at a concert by some Grande woman I have never heard of, but at Manchester's main arena.
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Posted: May 22 2017 at 18:40 |
....and now reports of a controlled explosion by Manchester police, a device found......ughhh. Those poor parents and families.......... Phucked up world we live in....
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Posted: May 22 2017 at 18:07 |
Lets hope this was not a terrorist attack, hoping it was a pyro malfunction or something similar.......I'll leave it at that for now.
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Posted: May 18 2017 at 11:17 |
This news is the most idiotic thing I've heard in years.
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Posted: May 16 2017 at 12:19 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Perhaps they realized they weren't in Kansas anymore....
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Did they all join Toto?
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Posted: May 16 2017 at 11:54 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Perhaps they realized they weren't in Kansas anymore....
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 16 2017 at 09:48 |
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The thing is, there are still too many artists offering concerts all over Europe. I bet the ones cancelling because of this are nearly none of them. So, for Kansas to cancel, well, it will make just about no difference in security. It just makes no sense. |
I agree, so I don't get all the pissing and moaning about Kansas....go see another show.
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 20:37 |
The thing is, there are still too many artists offering concerts all over Europe. I bet the ones cancelling because of this are nearly none of them. So, for Kansas to cancel, well, it will make just about no difference in security. It just makes no sense.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 10:59 |
Catcher10 wrote:
...but you can't argue being safe.
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 10:31 |
Lewian wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
How about this thought....Low ticket sales, if that was the issue, is because people are not interested in going to see an American band play in Europe because of the possibility of radical action, sorry unsafe conditions, and people will get hurt. |
You think I better don't go and watch Suzanne Vega after having survived the UK for so long and Europe for my whole life? Nonsense, seriously!
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You miss the point. No radical group will target the band Kansas, or Suzanne Vega...Why should they? Both of them can walk the streets of any big city in the world and nothing will happen except maybe the occasional pick pocket if they look like tourists..so we agree very little to zero chance anything will happen walking the streets.
The chances of something happening during one of their shows to the audience goes up, and please nobody is saying it is 100% chance, but there is a chance. No band or promoter wants their name attached to that possibility. If ur upset because they cancelled a European tour because of radical actions there, ok I get it. I too would not understand how a band would cancel a show here in Seattle because they thought some radical group would cause havoc at the show.
I go to shows in small venues where there is little to no security check at the doors, yet go to a large stadium venue and you are passing thru metal detectors like you are getting ready to board a plane.
Like I said earlier, there are arguments on both sides......but you can't argue being safe.
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Lewian
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 09:44 |
Catcher10 wrote:
How about this thought....Low ticket sales, if that was the issue, is because people are not interested in going to see an American band play in Europe because of the possibility of radical action, sorry unsafe conditions, and people will get hurt. |
You think I better don't go and watch Suzanne Vega after having survived the UK for so long and Europe for my whole life? Nonsense, seriously!
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 09:19 |
^ There are plenty. It seems they were quite popular in Spain though, all their albums had more than one Spanish pressing. The only album I have from them, POKR, was actually bought there.
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Rednight
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 09:03 |
Meltdowner wrote:
Warthur wrote:
over here Kansas aren't really known for anything other than Carry On My Wayward Son, and many listeners only know that thanks to Guitar Hero.
| Yeah, that's how I first heard of them, and Rush. I can count with a single hand the times I came across any of their albums. |
They don't have record stores on the Iberian Peninsula?
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