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Thatfabulousalien
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Topic: Prog elitists Posted: June 22 2017 at 06:49 |
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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M27Barney
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Posted: June 22 2017 at 05:47 |
Isn't this argument based on the fact that (e.g - Watched a BBC drama based in Ireland, where a bloke finds "Dark Side of the Moon" in this female science teachers basement - he asks her "you into prog-rock" , she replies "Yeah - My older brother got me into it") - The writer obviously wanted to get as many cliche's about prog rock in a thirty second scene as possible obviously ! Sooooo the writers assertion that DSOTM is synonymous with "seventies prog rock" - makes it an album that is definitely heard of outside of the prog-bubble! - so is that what lures an outsider into prog? DSOTM on the monday, "Deloused in the crematorium" discovered by the following friday?
Edited by M27Barney - June 22 2017 at 05:48
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 22 2017 at 01:04 |
Thatfabulousalien wrote:
If your going to be elitist about anything, please make it about the protection you wear when you **** |
Only give a classic Prog album 4 stars?
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Junges
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Posted: June 21 2017 at 05:45 |
"OMGGG Look at all these obscure bands I listen to. They are so dark and complex and avant-garde. I am so f**king cool."
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Posted: June 20 2017 at 21:07 |
Atavachron wrote:
Prog was an age, not a genre; an era wherein rock music unexpectedly peaked in a post-Beatles world more than it was something band-based.
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Yes! The era from my birth til my death!
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: June 20 2017 at 20:30 |
If your going to be elitist about anything, please make it about the protection you wear when you ****
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 20 2017 at 20:17 |
Prog was an age, not a genre; an era wherein rock music unexpectedly peaked in a post-Beatles world more than it was something band-based.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Blaqua
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Posted: June 20 2017 at 18:06 |
The fact that some or many of a band's songs or albums do
not belong to the progressive rock genre (for example Dust in the wind/Down the
Road by Kansas
or Bastille Day by Rush) makes some people doubt or deny even the progressiveness
of such bands' progressive songs. I personally consider Kansas a hard, prog, folk, classic rock band,
I classify them in several genres, and at the same time I don’t deny their progressiveness.
They have written great prog tracks.
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rock96
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Posted: May 21 2017 at 22:25 |
I also love Elton John also. Elton John, Madman Across the Water, Captain fantastic and yellow brick road are top tier albums in my collection. Seen Fleetweood Mac in concert back in 2009 unleashed tour they kicked ass but were missing Christine McVie
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mlkpad14
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Posted: April 16 2017 at 07:42 |
Dean wrote:
It's an ear-worm, I advise against listing to it |
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Dean
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Posted: April 16 2017 at 07:38 |
It's an ear-worm, I advise against listing to it
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What?
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mlkpad14
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Posted: April 16 2017 at 07:35 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
What's this Human song ?? Never heard it..... |
It's by this Rag N' Bone guy...
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 16 2017 at 07:10 |
What's this Human song ?? Never heard it.....
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2dogs
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Posted: April 16 2017 at 06:30 |
Was it the mention of Kraftwerk that produced the "I'm not a robot" test? And I had to select parking restriction signs in German. See how this meaningful coincidence business works?
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"There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette
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2dogs
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Posted: April 16 2017 at 06:26 |
Dean wrote:
That I have that fecking "Human" song currently going around in my head suggest that even though personally I cannot stand it, there is some hitherto unconsidered metric that my subconscious recognises which singles this tune out. |
Aargh did you have to mention that one ? It does stand out though for actually copying and pasting snippets of a few different sounds rather than 1/4 of a Kraftwerk bassline.
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"There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette
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Dean
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Posted: April 16 2017 at 00:22 |
2dogs wrote:
I regularly visit a cafe where the radio plays the current UK pop chart. That 10% you mentioned is taking an awfully long time to come round .
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The state of the UK pop charts has always been lamentable but that isn't a measure of quality, it merely contains a lot of what I believe is called "urban contemporary music"; none of which I care for so I am not qualified to judge whether any of it is good or bad. That I have that fecking "Human" song currently going around in my head suggest that even though personally I cannot stand it, there is some hitherto unconsidered metric that my subconscious recognises which singles this tune out. By the standards that we measure "pop" passing old grey's whistle test is a fair indicator of Not-Crap.
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2dogs
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Posted: April 15 2017 at 23:31 |
I regularly visit a cafe where the radio plays the current UK pop chart. That 10% you mentioned is taking an awfully long time to come round .
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"There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette
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Dean
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Posted: April 14 2017 at 02:37 |
Elitism boils down to two inter-related diagrams:
The premise there is that Prog and other higher-brow forms of music occupy more of the 10% Not Crap segment than other genres, however Sturgeon's Law applies to all - 90% of Prog is also Crap just as 90% of Classical music is Crap and 90% of Jazz also. The skill of the elitist is to compare the 10% Not Crap of their pet genre with the 90% Crap of all other genres, or as I tend to put it: compare the best of what you like with the worst of what you don't.
Beyond that esoteric discussion on complexity are an interesting diversion that some do for the sheer pleasure of delving into the why's and wherefore's and the challenge of exploration while others merely high-jack those discussions to justify the above Venn diagram.
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: April 13 2017 at 23:18 |
My definition of Elitism is pretty much: Pretentious a****les that care too much about their opinions and can't accept disagreement
There are elitists everywhere, prog in itself isn't that special either. I love Prog but it's not some privileged, unknown music that nobody likes
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Mystic Mamba
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Posted: April 13 2017 at 23:05 |
This is a tricky subject. I have occasionally been guilty of being a prog elitist, but I have recently opened my mind to a lot of other music outside of the prog-sphere. As you can see, my profile pic is the cover of Aurora's debut album, "All My Demons Greeting Me as a Friend", which has only the faintest tiny hints of anything resembling prog, yet it has become one of my all time favorite albums. People need to realize that it's okay to like a multitude of different genres, and each genre is beautiful in its own way. We all know that Pink Floyd never reached the technical wizardry levels of Yes and ELP, but their music never really required that. It's okay if you don't like it that much, but it's not okay to say that they are obviously "worse" just because the music doesn't contain something your ears have grown to expect. Each band's style is unique and should be appreciated as such.
That's my two cents on the subject of prog elitism. Broaden your minds!
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