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    Posted: November 24 2016 at 08:40
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that is definitely not the Progday crew... you are thinking the PE's Nearfest sissy crew that would have thrown rotten veggies at that group for not being prog enough....LOL

we rock man... prog is all good and all.. but if it doesn't rock on stage... get your ass shaking and dancing....forget about it man...
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by souio souio wrote:

Originally posted by novasolis novasolis wrote:

Having the live raw energy of a "rock" band is one of the things that makes Prog special...at it's heart, it's still rock music.


Great way to sum up my complaints about live prog these days! Too much prog, not enough rock lol


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That's me at almost every live concert I go to hahaha

That's another thing that annoys me about prog fans - when a band enters a funky or heavy section with a good beat in their song while playing live, and I'm there slightly headbanging or moving to the beat and I look around only to see hundreds of people standing with their arms crossed. Once I start my band, "No Crossing Arms" will be a requirement in every performance and I'll point each person I see out lol
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Originally posted by souio souio wrote:

Originally posted by novasolis novasolis wrote:

Having the live raw energy of a "rock" band is one of the things that makes Prog special...at it's heart, it's still rock music.


Great way to sum up my complaints about live prog these days! Too much prog, not enough rock lol


HAH!!!
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Points: 617 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2016 at 04:55
Best example I can think of this sort of thing, though in "prog related" rather than prog itself, would probably be David Bowie's 1972 Santa Monica live set. Even compared to other Ziggy-era gigs, Bowie and the Spiders just go at it with this really raw garage rock approach and it's a heap of fun precisely because it's such a different take on their material.
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Points: 76 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2016 at 06:42
Originally posted by novasolis novasolis wrote:

Having the live raw energy of a "rock" band is one of the things that makes Prog special...at it's heart, it's still rock music.


Great way to sum up my complaints about live prog these days! Too much prog, not enough rock lol
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It's one of the reasons I love Steve Howe's playing. It's incredibly "uneven", you hear all kinds of muted notes and "chicken" sounds, but he's still such a virtuoso and dedicated to the instrument. The imperfections really give it more life. It's actually very hard to get a good balance like that!

Having the live raw energy of a "rock" band is one of the things that makes Prog special...at it's heart, it's still rock music.
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Originally posted by souio souio wrote:

....That's also one of the reasons Bruford is one of my favorites; whereas on the albums he's very precise and reserved, on Yessongs he's still playing the same complex parts, but in a more raw, animalistic fashion with an improvised fill here or there. I find that a lot of newer prog bands are all a lot more reserved and trying to play a lot of their songs note-for-note with the exact same energy as on the albums...


Burford only plays 2 songs on Yessongs (Perpetual Change and LDR/The Fish), the rest is Alan White

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Well, the Stones are one of my top 20 musical artists and I like them live a lot, too . . . if that counts.

Zeppelin are also in my top 5 (they're #5 for me) and I love Page live.

I'm also obviously a huge Dead fan (they're #6 for me), and a lot of people would say they were sloppy live, at least sometimes, but I don't really agree with that.

Aside from that, I'm not necessarily a fan of raw/sloppy live music.




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Yessongs is the only Yes album I listen to anymore. Their studio recordings are overly compressed and "boxy".

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Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Originally posted by souio souio wrote:

 
What I'm talking about would be the more traditional/symphonic prog bands playing their entire and multi-part epics with that same not give a damn attitude while still actually still playing it well. Hearing a 20 minute multi-movement prog epic played with that intensity and ferocity is something to behold, and something only a live environment can give you.

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Just like that!
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Not prog but Hendrix fits very well here. Every concert is a raw version of the studio albums.


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those to me are some of the most interesting artists.... the studio albums are mere templates to the real artistry which is done on stage.  A couple of bands/artists jump to mind that fall into that.

obviously Hendrix... but add The Who (look no further than Tommy)... the Allman Brothers and the Airplane.




I would include pre darks-side Pink Floyd here. Many of their studio songs are just small samples of what they could do with those pieces live.
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Points: 4339 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2016 at 09:49
I can understand that. Some that come to mind are Snarky Puppy (they record all of their music live in front of small audiences and have professionally recorded videos of them doing so on Youtube) they have a lot of fun and give it their all. 70s Jethro Tull performances (especially of Aqualung) are waaaaay better than the album for me, Exit, Stage Left... because Rush, The Mars Volta have some awesome live jams some better than others.
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yep....
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and as far as prog...whereas you have some like ELP.. and to a lesser extent Yes... that are able to translate their complex studio magic so well on stage.

look no further than Toccata.. it is almost insanely unfair that any group could be so talented to do THAT in a studio.. seriously... the creativity they displayed on that sh*ts on about well.. anything Genesis, Floyd, Tull Camel.. and yeah.. even King Crimson ever did.

but to do that . to do ON STAGE in a live setting.. whoa....
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2016 at 09:07
Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Not prog but Hendrix fits very well here. Every concert is a raw version of the studio albums.


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those to me are some of the most interesting artists.... the studio albums are mere templates to the real artistry which is done on stage.  A couple of bands/artists jump to mind that fall into that.

obviously Hendrix... but add The Who (look no further than Tommy)... the Allman Brothers and the Airplane.
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Points: 6632 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2016 at 09:04
Not prog but Hendrix fits very well here. Every concert is a raw version of the studio albums.
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Points: 15216 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2016 at 08:28
I love the more direct live sound and I tend to prefer live albums and live versions of songs. Obviously comparing live with studio albums is not quite fair because most live albums are some kind of "best of" compilations, but anyway, the albums I like to listen to most of Genesis (by quite some distance), Yes, Pink Floyd, Cardiacs, Amon Düül II and many, many more are live.
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One amazing show Camel gave in my town, back in early 80's, consisted of the entire Snow Goose (as far as my tired memory can tell, flawlessly performed) and for the second half a totally unexpected  medley of  Rock covers (which I can no longer remember precisely) but that threw the sports pavilion on fire. Heart
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