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Topic: Meshuggah's music sucks? Posted: December 08 2016 at 22:19
[QUOTE=dr wu23] Had to ck out this thread......I can honestly say I have never heard anything by this band ( I don't generally like any metal bands of any kind especially those with growling vocals...) , so I went on you tube and listened to a few songs from the new album.
My impression is that teenage kids on pot in their mother's basement would love this music.
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Posted: December 08 2016 at 08:47
Had to ck out this thread......I can honestly say I have never heard anything by this band ( I don't generally like any metal bands of any kind especially those with growling vocals...) , so I went on you tube and listened to a few songs from the new album.
My impression is that teenage kids on pot in their mother's basement would love this music.
Having said that they seem like they know how to play their instruments but it's a shame that this is what they came up with.
But different strokes for different folks...I guess.
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When Destroy, Erase, Improve came out, I was blown away. Future Breed Machine is a bona fide classic.
But I also had a greater tolerance for screaming vocals then compared to now. I find myself desiring more melody in my music, but I still love the heavy stuff. That's why I like what some of the djent bands have done with Meshuggah's sound. Bands like Tesseract, Stealing Axion, and Face the Maybe have infused the low-tuned, poly-rhythmic foundation with melodic elements. When clean vocals are involved, this style is one of my faves right now.
It's kind of a "2.0" version - they took the key elements, and added another layer to the sound. It's happened in a number of other styles, like with what Chevelle did with Helmet's sound, or what Soen did with Tool's sound.
In other words, "sub-genre" is the sincerest form of flattery.
I know there's a fine line between imitation and "sub-genre", if you will. I also understand that which of those categories a band is in that is heavily influenced by another may vary, depending on who you ask. Discussing it is the stuff that makes message boards great.
BTW saw a mention of Prong on here. I hadn't listened to them in about 20 years before I found "No Absolutes" at a yard sale a few months ago. It was surprisingly good.
Prong is great, Beg to Differ is a thrash classic. Also, nice to see Chevelle mentioned on here. One of my favorite bands. They certainly took their Tool and Helmet influences and made their own sound.
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Posted: December 07 2016 at 13:34
Upbeat Tango Monday wrote:
Even though I liked the first records when they came out, I grew tired of Messhugah really fast. If you are a symphonic prog fan who loves solos and variation, stay away. Messhugah is all about repeating a riff over and over, taking that riff changing it a bit and repeating it again for several minutes. When they released "Catch 33" I couldn't take it anymore
"I" was also a tough listen. Kind of reminded me of when Yes put out "Tales from Topographic Oceans". Too pretentious, and they got away from what really made them good.
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Posted: December 07 2016 at 13:25
Even though I liked the first records when they came out, I grew tired of Messhugah really fast. If you are a symphonic prog fan who loves solos and variation, stay away. Messhugah is all about repeating a riff over and over, taking that riff changing it a bit and repeating it again for several minutes. When they released "Catch 33" I couldn't take it anymore
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Posted: December 07 2016 at 13:02
When Destroy, Erase, Improve came out, I was blown away. Future Breed Machine is a bona fide classic.
But I also had a greater tolerance for screaming vocals then compared to now. I find myself desiring more melody in my music, but I still love the heavy stuff. That's why I like what some of the djent bands have done with Meshuggah's sound. Bands like Tesseract, Stealing Axion, and Face the Maybe have infused the low-tuned, poly-rhythmic foundation with melodic elements. When clean vocals are involved, this style is one of my faves right now.
It's kind of a "2.0" version - they took the key elements, and added another layer to the sound. It's happened in a number of other styles, like with what Chevelle did with Helmet's sound, or what Soen did with Tool's sound.
In other words, "sub-genre" is the sincerest form of flattery.
I know there's a fine line between imitation and "sub-genre", if you will. I also understand that which of those categories a band is in that is heavily influenced by another may vary, depending on who you ask. Discussing it is the stuff that makes message boards great.
BTW saw a mention of Prong on here. I hadn't listened to them in about 20 years before I found "No Absolutes" at a yard sale a few months ago. It was surprisingly good.
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Posted: October 22 2016 at 20:00
Intricate does not always mean good. I do admit Meshuggah is a big outlier but I'll never like Dillinger. There's just no actual substance aside from complexity for the sake of being complex.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 14:40
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ I know where you coming from. The music of Arctopus is like forcing a square peg in a round hole, but I love the challenging nature of it all. And, most folks can't stand Extreme styles. Fully understandable.
In fact, since I enjoy stuff like Carcass, Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Prong or Fear Factory etc... I should enjoy BTA and Meshuggah, but I fear these bands will never spend a long time in my "playlist", a bit like Nile or Machine Head. Anyway, I'm listening right now to Meshuggah's Chaosphere (1998) to see if the "magic" could work on me. I don't hate it, but I'm not exactly enjoying it.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 08:42
Meshuggah are god awful binary metal. Chugga chugga 010011010011. They give me a headache and the vocals are crap mallcore, screamo styled monotony. I'd rather listen to grass grow.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 08:07
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ I know where you coming from. The music of Arctopus is like forcing a square peg in a round hole, but I love the challenging nature of it all. And, most folks can't stand Extreme styles. Fully understandable.
I think I initially discovered the Arctopus whilst googling the term "unlistenable".
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 04:27
^ I know where you coming from. The music of Arctopus is like forcing a square peg in a round hole, but I love the challenging nature of it all. And, most folks can't stand Extreme styles. Fully understandable.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 04:11
Arctopus, cool... Let's say I can't get through the avalanche of riffs from this band and it's really difficult for me to feel an emotional connection with them because of the high technicity/virtuosity.
On the other hand, I have this split-single Arctopus/Orthrelm...
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 03:24
^ Arctopus are pretty cool. Anything with Colin Marston is awesome. Especially Gorguts. Meshuggah are crazy good. Love what they do. Love the ferocity and power of their grooves, but what I do love most is the Tech-Thrash of their debut, Contradictions Collapse. It just doesn't get any better than this.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 01:37
I won't say that their music sucks, especially since I'm starting to be somewhat fed up by the current appearance of "negative" threads on this forum for a few weeks... It's okay to say "I don't like this band that everyone say to love", but I'm starting to feel a bit suspicious about the multiplication of those "negative" threads in a really short time.
Anyway, back to the topic: I hardly know the music of Meshuggah. I've tried to listen one or two of their albums, without managing to get into them after just one (1) session of listening. I've not been really impressed by what I heard, saying to myself: "Oh, I've already this kind of rhythms, this type of riffs..." before remembering these guys are around since the mid-90's and have influenced younger bands that I discovered before Meshuggah... So, I guess that I would better try to listen a bit more carefully their music before expressing a definitive opinion about them.
After all, they're still better than, let's say, Behold The Arctopus...
"Just because you don't like it don't mean it's no good." ~ Mike Muir
but all he wanted was a Pepsi.
Ah, Suicidal Tendencies! I used to love them.
Don't you still like them? Lights...Camera...Revolution! is a classic. Their new album is pretty great as well, really brings back the classic ST sound.
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