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Tom Ozric
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Topic: Adrian Belew Posted: August 14 2015 at 22:49 |
I've always found Belew's eccentricities he brought to KC the 'wild card' Fripp needed to carry the band into the 80's. Just perfect - the guy could play, sing, and just infuse the whole package with lots of character. Things like Indiscipline, Elephant Talk, Neurotica and Dig Me are more Belew than Fripp. Priceless
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cstack3
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 20:35 |
Belew wrote about being "Fired" by Fripp on his Facebook page: questions and answers. q: are you in the new King Crimson planned for next september 2014? a: no. after 32 years I am no longer in King Crimson. q: were you asked to be in the new King Crimson? a: no, I was not. robert informed me in an email that he was starting a 7-piece version of the band. he said I would not be right for what the band is doing. q: so, how do you feel? a: "happy with what I have to be happy with". which is quite a lot. I'm busy creating something I've wanted to create all my life, something which has never been done. FLUX: never the same twice. creatively I'm exploding with new ideas, songs, and music. in 60 days I'll be touring south america with my beloved Power Trio and next spring I'll be touring europe with Crimson Project, which is a celebration of the crimson music tony, pat, and I have help create. life is great. q: what would you like to say to crimson fans about the new King Crimson? a: my advice is to check it out and if you like it: support it. and on that note: thanks to all of you for your continued support of my music. cheers!
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 16:07 |
Belew dreamed to be Lennon or Mac Carntey. He would have really wanted to make a hit, but as he said in an old interview : "I shall never belong to Radioland".
Ah when fingers do not obey the head !
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dr wu23
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:58 |
Gully Foyle wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Someone mentioned above that Fripp 'fired' him...was that due to artistic differences or did Fripp just want more of the retro sound that Jako can bring? My main problem with Belew, which isn't really a problem, is that the KC sound changed radically after the Wetton period which probably (or may have) had more to do with Fripp than anything else. While Belew is a talented player I simply don't care for his style of playing nor the songs he writes...for the most part. |
The KC sound also changed radically between the inital lineups and the Wetton era, but folks don't ever seem to complain about that.
I think the whole belew 'controversy' is kind of weird and fascinating
I think KC is one of the most 'progressive' groups out there, because they refused to rest on their laurels much of the time, and kept forcing change. But, change is not always liked by all people, naturally enough, and this leads to the ironic situation of fans of progressive music wishing a band would stay static. And yes, that raises the whole 'what does progressive mean' foofaraw, but perhaps best not to go down that rabiit hole. |
Good points...and you are right. No one complains as much about the stylistic changes from the first 2 or 3 and then the Wetton period. And then we are back to what does progression or progressive mean? I simply don't care for the 'style' that Belew brings to the song structures but he is certainly a talented player.
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Svetonio
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:29 |
I like Discipline era very much, therefore I like Adrian Belew.
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Gully Foyle
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:23 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Someone mentioned above that Fripp 'fired' him...was that due to artistic differences or did Fripp just want more of the retro sound that Jako can bring? My main problem with Belew, which isn't really a problem, is that the KC sound changed radically after the Wetton period which probably (or may have) had more to do with Fripp than anything else. While Belew is a talented player I simply don't care for his style of playing nor the songs he writes...for the most part. |
The KC sound also changed radically between the inital lineups and the Wetton era, but folks don't ever seem to complain about that.
I think the whole belew 'controversy' is kind of weird and fascinating
I think KC is one of the most 'progressive' groups out there, because they refused to rest on their laurels much of the time, and kept forcing change. But, change is not always liked by all people, naturally enough, and this leads to the ironic situation of fans of progressive music wishing a band would stay static. And yes, that raises the whole 'what does progressive mean' foofaraw, but perhaps best not to go down that rabiit hole.
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dr wu23
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 11:42 |
Someone mentioned above that Fripp 'fired' him...was that due to artistic differences or did Fripp just want more of the retro sound that Jako can bring? My main problem with Belew, which isn't really a problem, is that the KC sound changed radically after the Wetton period which probably (or may have) had more to do with Fripp than anything else. While Belew is a talented player I simply don't care for his style of playing nor the songs he writes...for the most part.
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Terakonin
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 07:33 |
One of my absolute favourite musicians. Jaw-dropping, incendiary guitar work all through his career.
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Gully Foyle
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Posted: August 12 2015 at 06:57 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I saw King Crimson live for the first time on the Discipline. Totally fine with his guitar, vocals, and lyrics. And I also agree with hellogoodbye. I'd also add his solo work, and his work with The Bears.
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hear hear on Los Osos...they do not get nearly enough love anywhere. An amazing pop group with arty tendencies. I am hoping that the out of KC fiasco and some spare time maybe leads to a new Bears album and tour....been too long
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cstack3
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 22:04 |
Fantastic player, and genuinely nice chap! (he's from Illinois as am I).
Adrian kicked KC into the modern era with his Talking Heads approach to guitar and vocals. The Wetton years were my favorite, but Belew's tenure a close second.
However, Fripp "fired" Adrian from joining the re-tooled KC, and I'd say that Jakko Jakszyk is a much better fit for the 1960's and 1970s era KC.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 21:37 |
questionsneverknown wrote:
Big fan.
Loved the Discipline-era, and I still have fond memories of seeing that band live near its end, on the Three of a Perfect Pair tour. Thought the Thrak-era was also marvelous, noisy and inventive.
Lone Rhino and Twang Bar King also had a big impact on me at the time.
Never fully understood all the hostility toward the man. |
I agree with every word. Loved Lone Rhino and Twang Bar King. Desire Caught By the Tail is my favorite. I may have even discovered his solo stuff first before his KC stuff. I can't remember. I also don't understand the hostility, then again, I've found similar hostility to Zappa, so I think there's a sort of west coast quirkiness that some traditional Prog fans just don't get, though they're fine with a PG brand of quirkiness. A cultural thing, I guess maybe. Oh, and I love the Crimson Projekts album, Space Groove.
Edited by HackettFan - August 11 2015 at 21:40
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 18:23 |
Wasn't too fond of him at first, but when I got Absent Lovers, my jaw dropped at his guitar work. He could have given even Jimi Hendrix a run for his money. Then again, Adrian had the advantage of having access to gizmos that Jimi unfortunately didn't live to see or use, but at least Adrian made very good use of them and had the talent to conjure up all sorts of sounds. Good vocalist too, second to Greg Lake.
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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dwill123
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:55 |
Adrian Belew never cared for him with Crimson (or Zappa for that matter). Decent musician but I can't tell you what he added that was good to Crimson. Will always love the 'Larks' Tongues' & 'Red' era.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 15:03 |
I saw King Crimson live for the first time on the Discipline. Totally fine with his guitar, vocals, and lyrics. And I also agree with hellogoodbye. I'd also add his solo work, and his work with The Bears.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 14:15 |
He was brilliant with KC. But I love his work with Laurie Anderson, Talking Heads and Bowie.
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 13:23 |
Adrian Belew is 100% brilliant. Better than Lake's period by miles and miles. Wetton period is obviously damn good, but they both fill different niches for me.
Unfortunate he is often overlooked for some reason.
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Barbu
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 13:05 |
Totally essential to the Crim sound.
94-03 rules!!!
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 13:03 |
Love his vocals and like what he brought to KC over the years. KC are one of the few bands who didnt really put a foot wrong throughout their career IMO.
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Lewian
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 12:33 |
Discipline is my favourite KC album and probably in my top 5 albums of all time. I think I saw them playing it live even before I had the album. It just put a smile on my face when I heard the material for the first time and Belew came out with "talk talk, it's only talk" on "Elephant Talk". (I'm a Talk Talk fan to this day ). Discipline was something new and exciting and I think his influence was strong in that line-up. Beat and Perfect Pair are also high on my list, as is Thrak (I'm not so keen on much of what came later). The thing is, his singing style was quite different from traditional prog from the 70s, sharper, more urban New Wave, same with his lyrics, many of which I like, but this could explain why many 70s prog lovers couldn't warm to him. Fripp was moving in this direction at the time, too, so I can't really say how much of it was Belew's influence and how much was Fripp (or Bruford or Levin), but I think that Belew was important for them to find a consistent style at the time; Fripp was trying out many small things and didn't show a clear direction before Discipline.
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Gully Foyle
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Posted: August 11 2015 at 12:06 |
Critical to the band's history. I'll be interested to see if the current line-up creates anything, or is just a greatest hits machine. If the latter, it only underscores the importance of Belew.
Fripp is the center - but i think Belew, along with Bruford, Wetton, Levin, are the other elements which made the band over the decades.
I too am always puzzled by the belew-haters.
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