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Prog-jester
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Topic: Is there such thing as prog hip-hop? Posted: September 24 2016 at 11:44 |
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A trio called clippng., they're on Sub Pop, released a concept album about space slavery "Splendor & Misery". How much prog do you want?))
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Prog-jester
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Posted: April 30 2016 at 14:36 | |||
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Prog-jester
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Posted: March 15 2016 at 20:23 | |||
rapping over a prog sample:
experimental music with elements of hip-hop: progressive hip-hop: |
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Hot Rat '69
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Posted: May 27 2015 at 14:24 | |||
Check out this article in the Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/05/aap-rocky-and-the-liquifying-of-rap/394205/
The gorgeous stew of At.Long.Last.A$AP may owe something to LSD, but it’s also in line with the genre’s recent turn toward progginess. |
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Thandrus
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Posted: May 03 2015 at 10:39 | |||
Well, I think it is quite possible, but the thing is, most that could pass as progressive hip-hop, is classified as "experimental hip hop" (as per RateYourMusic.com definition).
Of course, hip-hop cannot really boast with multiple changing tempos and etc. but it is by far not the only, or even essential attribute of progressive rock. Just for the reminder, the most widely known side of Krautrock, the Dusseldorf school, relied and gave a whole new meaning to those monotone rhythms and all - many pieces by, for example, Neu!, are much more minimalist than your average hip-hop. As for my vision of "progressive hip hop", it could sound as something like this. DJ Shadow's debut album, "... Endtroducing" is widely regarded as a hip-hop classic and is right now neatly classified under "experimental hip hop". I think, many a prog fan, who have a preference for its atmospheric / crossover / modern side, will enjoy this piece: Edited by Thandrus - May 03 2015 at 10:40 |
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thebeastmustdie
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Posted: April 30 2015 at 17:37 | |||
Hi, just stumbled on these forums and seeing as I own over 3000 hip hop albums (yes, sad...) I thought I'd add my 2 cents
thing about hip hop is even the most abstract stuff tends to rely on a consistent looped beat to form the basis of a track, making it one of the most repetitive and unspontaneous genres out there, meaning in some ways it's like the anti-prog I also agree with the previous statements that just cause something samples a prog tune, doesn't make it prog.
however if I had to pick one artist I'd suggest checking out Labtekwon, probably the most 'proggy' hip hop I can think of if I had to pick one Labtekwon - Goddess
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Kati
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Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:23 | |||
Hip Hop is not a race nor a cultural thing parse, it started more like an expressive artistic movement in the Bronx or Queens (not sure where really) of youth gathering together to freely expressing themselves, either by poetry (talking singing to a beat hip hop) and turntable djing plus graffiti art. Hip Hip as it self to me is not music although has progressed due to some hiphop artists by adding known melodies inc. classic music instrumentals/. This said with exception, most hip hop are electronic music with heavy bass orientated.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 12:33 | |||
I would say that the "Selling Coco" clip Svetty posted from Bandcamp is blatantly stupid. Derive whatever else you wish from that.
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twalsh
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 12:14 | |||
Well, firstly, racism is pretty common. Cultures are still struggling to learn how to communicate with respect. I don't know why Bandcamp or PA would be any different. And blatant may have been too strong a word on my part, admittedly. Secondly, I don't believe most racism is intentional. Better to have a conversation than Report every occurrence. Most racism isn't neo nazi/ National Front, KKK stuff. Most is more subtle and usually not intended to cause harm. I work everyday with victims of various forms of bigotry and discrimination, so even the little stuff can seem blatant to me.
Sorry, I'm trying to point out something that concerns me without making too big a deal about it. Easier said than done. |
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More heavy prog, please!
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 11:45 | |||
OK I admit I don't really understand the context or source of the 'Selling Coco' post from Svetonio but what Man Overboard and yourself have both deemed 'thinly veiled' racism is now considered 'blatantly racist?' Wouldn't bandcamp have raised the same misgivings as yourself (and I'm assuming you've reported the post to the PA admins?) Edited by ExittheLemming - April 25 2015 at 11:50 |
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twalsh
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 11:35 | |||
I don't think liking or not liking rap is racist. I sure don't like it. However, I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of "Selling coco..." Clever, perhaps, but blatantly racist. |
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More heavy prog, please!
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 09:58 | |||
I don't see any racism in this thread 'thinly veiled' or otherwise. I think we both might agree that it's a wide stretch to expect the majority of (predominantly white male) Prog fans on a Progressive Rock website to embrace music that originates from a black American culture like Hip Hop. Most Proggers I know certainly enjoy a lot of contemporary jazz and fusion but styles that encroach the broad spectrum of 'dance music' are maybe less popular. It's perfectly fine to discriminate against music you don't care for so are you inferring that expressing same is racist based on the ethnicity of the artist/critic? |
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twalsh
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 09:37 | |||
Unfortunately, yes. |
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More heavy prog, please!
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Man Overboard
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 03:33 | |||
Eyedea & Abilities is a pretty awesome group.
Also, thinly-veiled racism isn't cool, but is prevalent in this thread.
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Imperial Zeppelin
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 03:20 | |||
Someone had to do it
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DreamTechPlus
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 03:17 | |||
I think the philosophies of prog and hip-hop are too polar for them to possibly coexist. Someone could attempt to rap over prog instrumentation, but it wouldn't make it hip hop.
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 01:43 | |||
http://infinitycs.bandcamp.com/track/whipping-with-the-moonlight-plug-genesis-x-o-t-genasis (name your price) |
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octopus-4
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Posted: April 19 2015 at 04:10 | |||
I've mentioned Quintorigo, but only becsuse John de Leo raps on an excellent song. At least one prog band is there
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 19 2015 at 02:49 | |||
Moved to general music discussions seeing as there's no mention of prog bands. Not that crazy though seeing as prog hip hop doesn't exist.
There's progressive hip hop though Edited by Guldbamsen - April 19 2015 at 02:50 |
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Hot Rat '69
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Posted: April 19 2015 at 00:32 | |||
Listening to Sweetnighter again....the breakbeat grooves, the electronics, the different moods, the flowing lyricism....if prog hip-hop exists it definitely owes something to this......but the instrumental element seems crucial.
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