god

I think that the very fact that there exists consciousness in the universe is ample evidence that something beyond what we can see/hear/taste/feel/smell exists.  Life by itself is not that amazing of a thing, but consciousness, the very fact that we know that we exist, to me indicates that there has to be a greater consciousness out there.  I don't believe that thought can come merely from electrical discharges in the brain. 

However, what we are talking about is something that not only is beyond our comprehension, it is incomprehensible.  Any attempt to define or explain what god is, what god wants (great Waters song), or the essence of "god's will" is by its very nature false.  As limited beings we cannot begin to comprehend anything at all about god.  And any book, preacher (sorry Maani...don't take offense), or spiritualist that claims otherwise is offering false testimony.   

For an atheist the world doesn't make sense? Do you even know what you are talking about? Makes perfect sense to me!

I still can't believe so many sane people believe in god. As for scientists believing, Carl Sagan absolutely hated the idea of there being a god...so i'm in good company. The worst type of christian....the ones not eaten by the lions.....................i wonder how many have a sense of humour?

tangerine62 wrote: GPFR what the f**k has that got to do with god.

nothing really about god, just the fact that one would be hypocritical to beleive in one without the other, thus disproving all arguement that was trying to be made. (Atleast htat was what I was trying to get at.)

No concept can be proven without making some very basic assumptions. The difference between religion and science is that religion isn't trying to be proven, so in that sense it's much more successful on its own terms.

tangerine62 wrote: Let's put this to bed, all you god believers, go and believe, the rest of us.....we'll live the real life. To Ricochet......i feel air so it exists, but god...don't make me laugh. How do you feel god? god has made many a religion rich and will continue to. Also, someone mentioned that if there is no god then there is no free will?, what drugs were you taking when u wrote that. Science is true, god has yet to be proven, the bible is a joke, a nice fairy book that keeps the christian masses happy/ignorant. Finally, as a famous comedian once said during a visit to an RC hall, he looked up and saw the crucifix, and said " is that what you do to people who break in here". Probably more true than anything so far. Please end this thread.

You seem to portrait people who believe in God as not being capable of living what you call a "real life", yet one will get you ten that in everyday situations you won't be able to tell the difference beween a believer and a non-believer. As to science: I already pointed out that many scientists believe in God, so there is absolutely no contradiction there. Finally, as I also said before, it is possible to believe in God without being of the Christian faith, so don't start waving the bible at us. As to the post about free will (I assume you refer to the dialogue between a mortal and God posted by me; it was written by Raymond Smullyan, one of the leading logicians in the world, and is from his book "The Tao is Silent"): What kind of drug were you on when you read that post? Nothing even remotely like "without God there is no free will" is ever stated in that dialogue.


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Why would I want to close a perfectly enjoyable thread?   Is there something wrong with people having differing opinions, and expressing them?  Is there something wrong with debate - even passionate debate?

We all know that faith/religion is a "hot button" topic, so if we choose to engage in the discussion, we simply need to keep that in mind.  If a person cannot engage in that discussion in a reasonable fashion - without rancor or personal attack - then that person should simply ignore the thread and go on to bigger and better things...

However, everyone on this site has the right to open a thread on any topic (as long as it is in the correct category...), and everyone else has the right to "weigh in" with their opinion, whether pro or con, whether calmly or passionately.

Peace.

i want it to...help..please close this thread.

GPFR what he f**k has that got to do with god.

 

tangerine62 wrote: i feel air so it exists, but god...don't make me laugh. How do you feel god? god has made many a religion rich and will continue to.

So you beleive what you observe, eh? What about the feeling of being stared at? We all get it, but there is no logical way for us to know we are being stared at. Do you beleive that feeling is fake? There is no way to observe thought, Yet you beleive in thought. I beleive that if you beleive in thought and the sence of being stared at then you are being a bit hypocritical.

I agree that this forum should be done with, I know it's not going to be, however. I also think that this is pointless, even if one out-debates the other everyone seems sure on what they beleive, and I dont think that's going to change anytime soon.