Progarchives.com has always (since 2002) relied on banners ads to cover web hosting fees and all.
Please consider supporting us by giving monthly PayPal donations and help keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage") |
|
Post Reply 
|
Page 12> |
| Author | ||||||
cobb 
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: July 10 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1149 |
 Topic: A ProgArchives Congress???Posted: August 13 2005 at 05:25 |
|||||
|
50 words could never be considered a review. It is just enough to say I
like it or I hate it and only encourages lazy reviewing (and database
bias).
Edited by cobb |
||||||
 |
||||||
|
Logos
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: March 08 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2383 |
Posted: August 13 2005 at 05:15 |
|||||
52 words if I counted correctly. That's not much of a review .. |
||||||
|
||||||
|
Prog1611
Forum Groupie 
Joined: May 14 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 18:01 |
|||||
|
have become increasingly suspicious of the ratings my peers have offered, to the point where they are beginning to hold no weight whatsoever. We all remember the story of the boy who cried wolf ( or cried 5 Star! or cried "crappy" not worth the vinyl it was pressed upon!) To seek to remedy this, i have begun to seek out the reviewers ,other reviews ,to find out if his views on music collabrate with mine. Foe example: (AND IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE) He loves prog metal but can't stand Foxtrot- I will take that into account. He bashes Close to the Edge while raving over Radioohead, I will consider the source. An important principle in life, in actually, consider the source.
|
||||||
|
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare if thou hast understanding?
|
||||||
|
||||||
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29353 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 17:45 |
|||||
I'm sure I'd seen loads.However I may be wrong ....sorry this one is close though GENESIS Seconds Out  — For those who missed those tours , this is the proof that Collins did the Gabriel stuff as good as the Gabe did and sometimes even better (a flower?... although I suspect studio tampering of this live album), this is such a delight to hear new version of Cinema Show and the rest. |
||||||
|
||||||
|
Easy Livin
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 17:37 |
|||||
|
Richard, As far as I know, reviews with less than 50 words are not displayed, even if they are submitted. Is there evidence to the contrary? |
||||||
|
||||||
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29353 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 17:11 |
|||||
I agree that Gatot's reviews are excellent and I also hate it it when reviewers mention other reviews. Re length of reviews. Taking the benchmark that 'informed' reviews should have at least 50 words(under progarchives own guidlines), there is an interesting fact that progarchives still accepts reviews of less than 50 words |
||||||
|
||||||
|
stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:59 |
|||||
absolutely. in certain, undeniable cases. like CTTE. that album will always be at least a 4 star album overall, because it is so incredibly, highly reguarded. but for many, many albums, i think that what i previously said holds true. and i still belive this: for every person who loves an album, there is one who dislikes the same album |
||||||
|
||||||
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21555 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:56 |
|||||
|
You'll be a senior member after your next 43 posts ...
|
||||||
|
||||||
|
stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:55 |
|||||
well, ignorant could be attacking another review, purposly giving an album 1 star or 5 stars because a previous reviewer gave the album a "unjust" rating. disagreeing with the mainstream is in no way ignorant. and i read/enjoy both short and long reviews, but i think longer reviews are usually (emphasizing usually) more informative. take gatot's reviews. he takes time to fully develope his ideas and provides an excellent, concise review. i'm not saying short reviews are dismissable by nature. but they need to provide the same quality and relevance that a longer review does for me to take it seriously. |
||||||
|
||||||
|
Tiresias
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 03 2005 Status: Offline Points: 560 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:53 |
|||||
|
Fellow Aaron, great review. I just felt that there are so many 5 stars that few people talk about that should be recognized. There are also 5 star albums in respect to the rest of the catalog by the band. I feel that the top 100 rated are also a good start for gold star albums, but after the top 100 (for now at least) the rest can simply be five star albums, excellent, but not truly essential. I though a congress would give people more of a chance to participate and might be fun... How did I get promoted to groupie? It happened after I started the Robert Fripp is Dead thread |
||||||
|
Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn...
|
||||||
|
||||||
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29353 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:49 |
|||||
Define ignorant in this context.If you love or hate something then you should say it as best you can without being offensive or personal.Its only ignorance in my view if you havnt heard the record.If someone writes a review 'I hate this sh*t' then that can still be an honestly held view.Why should it automatically be regarded as ignorant? Some express themselves in as few words as possible.That is cool in my book.I never read long reviews personally and don't give them any more credability than short reviews. |
||||||
|
||||||
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21555 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:43 |
|||||
|
That's not true. I KNOW that some albums are better than others. Trusting that at least SOME reviewers are sane, the average ratings should reflect the quality of the albums for a sufficient number of reviews. |
||||||
|
||||||
|
stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:38 |
|||||
if you really hate an album, or if you really love an album andd what to express your views in a well-written review, then that's just fine. but ignorant, 30-word spout-offs in favor or against albums do no good. |
||||||
|
||||||
|
stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:37 |
|||||
|
i believe that if everyone on this site were to honestly review albums, then every album would end up being 3 stars. for every person who loves an album, there is one who dislikes the same record.
|
||||||
|
||||||
|
Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:35 |
|||||
|
Tiresias, I completely agree!
I feel we should be able to have review feedback... like... miniforums that are linked to each review, where people can give their non-anonymous opinion on reviews. That would eliminate people's apparent need to write counter-reviews over every little difference of opinion. I actually feel that would be a better idea than a congress.  Edited by Man Overboard |
||||||
|
||||||
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29353 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:35 |
|||||
Being a fan or a detractor doesn't make you ignorant.If I follow your argument then you should never write reviews about ELP as you hate them.Is that your intention? |
||||||
|
||||||
|
Tiresias
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 03 2005 Status: Offline Points: 560 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:32 |
|||||
|
Mike, I don't mean impartial, I meant fair. Sorry. I just wouldn't like to see pointless reviews like OMG Yes FRIKKIN RULZ! Tey R Tha L33T Pr()g BAND!!!! instead of ones well thought out by seasoned and reliable reviewers (I had you in mind as well). I've been on the forums for only a month, but have frequented the site daily as an observer and reader since last year. I agree it's changed a great deal. Quarterly is a good possibility. I didn't suggest monthly because I felt that it would stop other improvements to the site (such as new bands, features, site design). I also didn't want to make a ton of work constantly for the admins. Theres no limit to how many albums can be nominated. Most will be put up right at the beginning and other works will be added later. However, I feel TFK needs a five star album |
||||||
|
Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn...
|
||||||
|
||||||
|
stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:30 |
|||||
|
yeah, but i don't want to read eithe of their ignorant reviews. |
||||||
|
||||||
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29353 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:28 |
|||||
|
No thankyou.To every 'fanboy' there is a 'hater'.It all balances out fine.
|
||||||
|
||||||
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21555 |
Posted: August 12 2005 at 16:22 |
|||||
|
||||||
|
||||||
|
Post Reply
|
Page 12> |
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
A ProgArchives Congress???
Topic Options
richardh wrote:
.If the 50 word rule was actually enforced then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all I suspect.50 words should be strictly adhered to.'Ignorant' reviews would be easier to spot then.That doesn't mean that short reviews are ignorant though,just that it would be easier to tell whether someone has actually heard the album if they manage to come up with 50 'meaningfull' words.
