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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 21:25
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Heathcliffe Heathcliffe wrote:

Like most people I loved the early albums,with the odd wince at dud tracks eg The Sheriff.And kinda lost interest as they went along.
What was interesting to me was Black Moon was a real return to form and a great album - somewhat overlooked though.


Yeah, Black Moon is a rather cool album, but still I wouldn't call it a return to form. For me, it is mostly a rather good POP album, with some hints at prog (Specially the Romeo & Juliet thing, ofcourse).

I agree Black Moon is a great album and it has a real deep sounds. I don't think it is prog like their early stuff, but it is good. The Piano songs are real great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 21:21
Originally posted by Heathcliffe Heathcliffe wrote:

Like most people I loved the early albums,with the odd wince at dud tracks eg The Sheriff.And kinda lost interest as they went along.
What was interesting to me was Black Moon was a real return to form and a great album - somewhat overlooked though.


Yeah, Black Moon is a rather cool album, but still I wouldn't call it a return to form. For me, it is mostly a rather good POP album, with some hints at prog (Specially the Romeo & Juliet thing, ofcourse).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 18:43
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oops sorry how did that ahappen
 
I think you were trying to do the next cover sideways left, the next one upside down, the next one sideways right, the next one on the back side ... gosh, even Hipgnosis would have thought that was funny!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 18:10
Like most people I loved the early albums,with the odd wince at dud tracks eg The Sheriff.And kinda lost interest as they went along.
What was interesting to me was Black Moon was a real return to form and a great album - somewhat overlooked though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 16:20
I'll admit, at first I thought ELP were a bit over rated. But to me, it took some time for me to grasp the full pretentious sound of ELP, and once you can acquire that sound, they are the best at what they do. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 15:10
Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

At the top of their game (1970-73) they were creative and hugely exciting. They did more to popularise prog and open up opportunities for similar bands than any other group IMO. They bridged the gap between heavy rock - Zep, Purple etc - and prog like no-one else, having the power and aggression of the former and the variety and complexity of the latter. Quite a few on here don't like them but their importance to the genre is not in doubt.

After their 70s peaks Genesis, Yes, Rush etc spent most of the 80s churning out dull, sub-standard quasi-prog. If you're going to go down the pan properly you need to release an album like Love Beach. Even ELP's implosion is a source of (comic) entertainment to me!
 
I like what you are saying although I am prepared to defend Rush who for me took over ELP's mantle and created their own brand of sophisticated keyboard/synth based prog for the eighties. Their run of albums from Moving Pictures to Grace Under Pressure showed much of the invention that made ELP a great band even if it wasn't in the form of long intricate peices of music.
 
Love Beach is not that hateable an album really. Lake and Palmer actually perform well on it but sadly Emerson had lost all enthusiasm at that point and it shows (bar perhaps the piano bits on Memoirs Of An Officer and a Gentleman). The orchestral tour was everything he wanted and he admitted afterwards that he was depresssed that he couldn't recreate that massive sound. ELP would have ended at that point but for the contractural obligation with Atlantic records.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

According to my college English professor, if you use an and or an & you still should use a comma. LOL

As in Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.

Ah, the old serial comma dilemma.
There is a cultural divide on this one.  Americans tend to use it, Britons tend not to.  Lynn Truss makes a strong case for the latter (well she is a Brit) in Eats Shoots and Leaves (in fact the punchline to the title is all about this).  To my eyes the comma means "and," so you don't need that final comma, otherwise it means "Emerson and Lake and and Palmer."  On the other hand, maybe those two ands imply a space for inserting other figures, you know, like Hendrix or Powell?

Anyway . . .
I deeply love ELP and just don't understand the hatred they experience on, of all places, a prog site.

There are of course some good songs on Love Beach.  (Shoot, did I just write that in public?)  It's just that you shouldn't actually write a song called "Love Beach," and you certainly shouldn't then go to give that title to the whole album and then you absolutely should not shoot a cover with yourselves featured as the Second Coming of the Gibbs brothers.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 14:32
Karn Evil 9 (1st impression parts one & two) is truly a marvellous prog masterpiece. Tarkus less so, and I love Pictures at an Exhibition except that horrible "Nutrocker" Alas, had BSS not had the rest of the dross - it would be one of the best albums ever - my gripe with ELP, was that they were capable of producing sublime symphonic prog, but instead gave us Benny the Bouncer...... Genesis comedy song "Harold the Barrel" was the correct way to produce a quirky comic-prog classic....
If Emerson had done more "The Old Castle" style moog bursts - he'd have pleased a helluva lot more proggers than "Jeremy Bender".....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 14:24
love this band as one my top 70's band of all time. 
This is funny this topic was going on while I was creating a collage and I didn't know about it!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 13:29
I used to listen to them alot bought all albums from their debut up till works II.  Didn't mind Works I.  However, I don't listen to them much now, for me they haven't stood the test of time as well as Genesis, Crimson, Yes etc.  Just my personal listening habits.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 10:19
Along with Rush, ELP were the first REAL prog band I got into.  I haven't listened to anything of theirs in a while, but whenever I do, I still enjoy it.  Starting with Works, they pretty much lost me (though there is some half decent stuff on there).  Interestingly enough, I heard the "An Officer and A Gentleman" suite on satellite radio this past weekend.  The thought that came to my mind was that this was what it would sound like if Barry Mannilow wrote a prog suite Thumbs Down LOL  Seriously.

But at their peak, they were fantastic.  My favorite is either Tarkus (whole album, love it all) or Brain Salad Surgery (total masterpiece).  But the first two and Welcome Back My Friends..... are also fantastic albums.

I imagine the sl*g.ing comes from the fact that they were overly bombastic, pretentious, egotistical, and represent all the excesses of prog.  Which is, incidentally, also what made them so great Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 10:03
Surely,a must-listen artist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 08:36
At the top of their game (1970-73) they were creative and hugely exciting. They did more to popularise prog and open up opportunities for similar bands than any other group IMO. They bridged the gap between heavy rock - Zep, Purple etc - and prog like no-one else, having the power and aggression of the former and the variety and complexity of the latter. Quite a few on here don't like them but their importance to the genre is not in doubt.

After their 70s peaks Genesis, Yes, Rush etc spent most of the 80s churning out dull, sub-standard quasi-prog. If you're going to go down the pan properly you need to release an album like Love Beach. Even ELP's implosion is a source of (comic) entertainment to me!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 06:42
I like ELP but am not crazy about them.

"Tarkus" and "Karn Evil 9" (1st  and 3rd Impressions) blow me away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 06:19
Simple: your subconscious inner self is subscribing my earlier stated hypothesis, that Love Beach is a very important album in prog Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 06:06
oops sorry how did that ahappen
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 06:05
Best band for a long time and left an indelible mark on prog and music in general. Unforgettable compositions such as Karn Evil 9, Tarkus, Take a Pebble. I have all their CDs and some DVDs.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 05:53
I've seen them on Сreation of peace festival in Kazan, Russia
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 02:19
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Rush77 Rush77 wrote:

Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them 

Eh I'm a long time fan, but I think it has to do with their inconsistency.  Because some people tend to get hung up about consistency.  Their first few albums were really good, but some people can't stand the funny songs.  Then they went all over the place with Works.  Then they caught the commercialitis disease.  But mostly because of this album cover:

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I don't think that a single month goes by or this album sleeve is being shown on a PA thread. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 00:11
From the debut and until Welcome Back My Friends they are all masterpieces to me, regardless of the inconsistent tracks here and there. Works I is also very worthy. Definitely one of my fav bands.
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