The Prog-Metal controversy

micky wrote: ProgBagel wrote: There is a numerous amount of sub-genres in prog-metal....I wonder what it would be split in to if it will be going to. sure.. .have fun http://www.proggnosis.com/GENRE_PMSGGuide.asp

ProgBagel wrote: There is a numerous amount of sub-genres in prog-metal....I wonder what it would be split in to if it will be going to.

sure.. .have fun

http://www.proggnosis.com/GENRE_PMSGGuide.asp

To that I say go take a look at the Metal Archives website.  Out of curiosity I went to check that site out and they were talking and listing tons of metal bands that I have never even heard of, which currently don't appear on PA.  I am guessing that most of these bands never will appear on PA and deservedly so because they are metal bands, not prog metal bands.  But that is definitely a determination that I would leave up to those much more knowledgable than me when it comes to these matters.

Ghost Rider wrote: I think that at this point, because of the sheer number of bands in PM, a split like the one we had in Art Rock is inevitable. If we want the site to be a guide to people, having over 500 bands lumped together under the same umbrella is not going to be of any use to anyone. Of course, there will be endless debates on how to split the bands, what name to give them, and so on and so forth... Eventually, though, this will be achieved, and the site will be all the better for that - even if the naysayers, the enemies of PM, will start carrying on about the site being taken over by Metal.

ooohhhh... can't wait for that debate...


I agree completely though... it serves the site to have them split up..

There was a recent previous thread where Mike was discussing that the Prog Metal team was considering a sub-genre split similar to what recently happened to Art Rock in order to try to better group bands within Prog Metal with similar leanings.  Hopefully, this will do a great service to this genre.

Metal as a genre is as diverse, eclectic and experimental as progressive rock so it is inevitable that the two genres will intersect and impinge musically at every point along the scale from Jazz-Rock/Fussion, through Prog-Folk, Electronic, Post-Rock/Experimental and Advant to full-blown, let's drag out the whole orchestra Symphonic. With a few notable exceptions, we group all these together within Prog-Metal because Metal forms the overriding content, yet all the other elements are there for the listening.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ Considering that DT win virtually every poll ... I think that the majority of all people who like any prog metal band at all also like DT. And it still seems to me that you're one of those people who hear virtuosity and disciplined playing and then automatically turn away ... I submit that these attributes don't preclude feeling and emotion, and I'm glad that most people agree about it, considering the various polls and also the ratings of the top DT albums.

sure ...  a large number of people go apesh*t over  this group.  Great. More power to them.  This thread is however,  in part, .. for those who aren't


Edited by micky - October 09 2007 at 11:49

MikeEnRegalia wrote: micky wrote: MIke... it wasn't my intention to bash..... only express an opinion on why some do see PM .. or DT the way they do.  I'll drop it if you take offense.  This is a nice thread and I don't want to see it descend into mudsligging if people can't accept dissenting opinions ON the topic at hand.  Please, by all means go on. I just expressed my opinion about the recent trend to praise prog metal and bash DT-like bands simultaneously. It's something which I can't support, but I would not want to forbid it either. Opinions are free!

there is probably something to be said for that.. for those simultaneous opinions may be hinting on a generally recognized opinion.  I'll toss  that  opinion out , that  DT may be great players... but they couldn't make good music together if their lives depended on it.. Of course  anyone who made a blanket statement like that over Prog Metal would be a fool. Prog Metal is much more than DT and their ilk. That was Raffaella's point.  Those who concentrate on displays of instrumental skill, like DT do... usually do, or can be argued may do,  so at the expense of good music.  That is what I think many see, who have problem with DT. .  Agree or not.. that is what some  people think.


Edited by micky - October 09 2007 at 11:33

micky wrote: MIke... it wasn't my intention to bash..... only express an opinion on why some do see PM .. or DT the way they do.  I'll drop it if you take offense.  This is a nice thread and I don't want to see it descend into mudsligging if people can't accept dissenting opinions ON the topic at hand.

Please, by all means go on. I just expressed my opinion about the recent trend to praise prog metal and bash DT-like bands simultaneously. It's something which I can't support, but I would not want to forbid it either. Opinions are free!

micky wrote: Trickster F. wrote: micky wrote: rushfan4 wrote: I have always felt that King Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man was the first prog metal song. out of curiousity... why....   because it is 'heavy'   I always considered Black Sabbath's Symptom of the Universe to be the first (proto-)Prog Metal song.

With regards to the 21st Century Man, not only because it's heavy, it's also aggressive. Those two are not always lumped together. You could argue Iron Maiden is heavy, but I just don't see it as truly aggressive. With 21st... KC managed to bring them together [and, of course, a little bit of funky jazz jamming in between]. In a lot of ways I feel that KC is responsible for the whole genre of math metal. And call me crazy, but sometimes I even hear KC in Meshuggah.