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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 08:17
Erik's post made me remember another very good Chilean band - Fulano - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2351
 
I especially like their first two albums; s/t and En El Bunker.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 07:52
Hello Martin.
 
I just reviewed the new album by Chilean band Evolucion, I think it will please the jazzrock aficionados, what an excellent sound, loaded with great interplay and splendid soli on keyboards and guitar. And do you still enjoy the amazing Japanese band KBB with the CD Live 2004?
 
P.s.: I have edited my post after reading Dick Heath his interesting explanation about the difference between jazzrock and fusion, very clear Thumbs Up


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 07:21
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Fuse One on CD does have two gems - America's self-appointed arbitor of good taste in jazz, Wynton Marsalis, playing on two jazz funk tunes!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 01:56
The only jazz rock bands i own are Maneige and Leb i Sol,but both awesomeThumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 23:45
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Have you ever seen an Eddie Harris live record from '74 called "E.H. in the U.K."?

Chris Squire from Yes guests on bass on Side Two: Conversations of Everything and Nothing, but I haven't been able to find this recording at all!

Also, I was about 6 years old when I heard that Streetnoise record with Auger and Driscoll...it originally came out, at least in the U.S.A., on Atco records. Got it on the shelf behind me and wishing that the catridge in the turntable wasn't shot Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 22:37
Some recommendations in the jazz and rock field:

Neil Ardley
Ian Carr projects
Creative Rock (GER)
IF
Carla Bley (I especially like the first album)
Embryo
Kollektiv
Early Chicago and VII
Pierre Moerlen's Gong
Maneige
The Greatest Show on Earth
Chick Corea (Piano Improvisations and RtF are my favs)
ANYTHING with Jan Garbarek (his Group projects are more jazz rock)
Later period Soft Machine of course
Steve Tibbetts
Oregon and related solo projects (they are one of my favs!)
BEN-S/T (Vertigo)

and some more I'm forgetting, not including the standard jr bands

I hope to go in depth with these more at a later dateBig smile

If anyone has any questions, feel free to PM.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:39
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

could anyone state & explain the difference between jazzrock and fusion? is there any? but please explain, don't just give examples.
 
I always saw jazzrock as jazz using rock ideas and fusion as rock using jazz ideas. the former is far superior in my opinion
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:29
Absolutely essential to any discussion of what's loosely called jazz-rock must include The Fourth Way, a San Francisco group formed in 1968 by Kiwi pianist Mike Nock which also featured Eddie Marshall on drums, Ron McClure on bass and Michael White on violin.

Their albums, made for the Capitol "prog" offshoot Harvest, are as yet unreissued, which is an unconscionable crime against Humanity IMO.  Here is what they look like if you want to go "In Search Of":

The Sun and the Moon Have Come Together (live in Berkeley, CA 1968)

The Fourth Way (1969)

Werwolf (live, Montreux Jazz Festival 1970)

Also essential are the albums reedsmith Eddie Harris made where he altered the mouthpiece of a trumpet to be reed-based.  These include:

Silver Cycles (1969)

Free Speech (1969)

Live at Newport (1970)

Also worthy of mention are records by the Brian Auger Trinity where Julie Driscoll (Julie Tippetts) is on hand, such as this one from 1969:
 

And speaking of things Tippett, please don't let yourself be without this 1971 gem:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:29
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Also, I am not sure this is "pure" jazz rock, but I am enjoying immensely a band you added here - Cerebus Effect. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2559  I shall review it in the coming weeks when I have time.
 


Cerebus Effect are from my hometown of Baltimore and I have seen them live quite a few times.EXCELLENT band Assaf!!!!!
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I knew they were from the US, but had no idea which state (so there is more to Baltimore than what was shown on the series Homicide - Life On The Street, eh?... LOL).
It took me some time, but finally I grew to appreciate their album, Acts Of Deception, for its multiple layers of composition and different styles used in the different songs. If they come to NY, I will try and go see them, now that you said that.
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 16:16
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:


Originally posted by Rutgers Joe Rutgers Joe wrote:

Stanley Clarke's first four albums are ESSENTIAL jazz-rock.


Do the four include include Clarke's first album: Children of Forever - several band's second albums are in fact the eponymously titled ones : BST and Chicago

Didn't know the Children Of Forever one but for me Clarke lost it with 'I Wanna Play For You'. The jazz rock gave way to jazz funk like so many had done. I bought about 20 fusion CDs for 50p a go in a nearby junk/second hand store. I kept about half of them as so much of it was this kind of 'fusak'. None more disappointing than 'Fuse One'- awe inspiring line up with Clarke, McLaughlin etc but it verged on disco.    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 16:08
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Good thread Martin
 

I am ready to learn about new musicians and bands here; my notebook is open...

 

I just want to mention a recent band I bought a cd of - Boud Deun and the album is Astronomy Made Easy - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=45

Very dynamic fusion (with extras). Too bad the band broke up.


 

Also, I am not sure this is "pure" jazz rock, but I am enjoying immensely a band you added here - Cerebus Effect. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2559  I shall review it in the coming weeks when I have time.

 

 


Cerebus Effect are from my hometown of Baltimore and I have seen them live quite a few times.EXCELLENT band Assaf!!!!!
    


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 15:55
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Its the only album thus far in my life that I can honestly say if perfect. However, IMO the best album of all time is () by Sigur ros. I dont think its perfect, but its so close, and its in perfections make it better than IMF.

But IMF is unbelivable. its...oh...oh..oh man, its great.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 14:51
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


Please tell me why this thread has been moved in non prog music, while Jazzrock is one of the main styles defined on progarchives.com??


    
 
We need to be even handed here. Other threads about bands and styles which individuals believe to be prog get moved because they are not listed on the site.
 
From the early discussions here, Miles Davis, Stanley Carke, Min Bul etc., are not (yet?) listed. If they were, they would probably be prog related.
 
There is a clear distinction between jazz rock as a genre of music, and jazz rock/fusion as a sub-genre of prog. We need to be clear what it is intended be discussed here. If it is bands who fall within the sub-genre of prog, the thread goes here. If it is about the much wider genre which encompasses bands such as BS&T, Chicago, etc., and styles such as Trad jazz with a rock crossover, then non-prog is the right section.
 
Let's see how things develop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 14:51
Jazz-Rock is one of my favorite genres. My fav jazz-rock bands are Brand X, Dixie Dregs, Bruford, Gong and RTF.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 14:47
Good thread Martin Thumbs Up
 
I am ready to learn about new musicians and bands here; my notebook is open...
 
I just want to mention a recent band I bought a cd of - Boud Deun and the album is Astronomy Made Easy - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=45
Very dynamic fusion (with extras). Too bad the band broke up.
 
Also, I am not sure this is "pure" jazz rock, but I am enjoying immensely a band you added here - Cerebus Effect. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2559  I shall review it in the coming weeks when I have time.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 14:11
Originally posted by Rutgers Joe Rutgers Joe wrote:

Stanley Clarke's first four albums are ESSENTIAL jazz-rock.


Do the four include include Clarke's first album: Children of Forever Wink - several band's second albums are in fact the eponymously titled ones : BST and Chicago
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 12:50
Stanley Clarke's first four albums are ESSENTIAL jazz-rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 12:37
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


Please tell me why this thread has been moved in non prog music, while Jazzrock is one of the main styles defined on progarchives.com??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 11:18
I got into Jazzrock/Fusion a few months ago.
My favourite bands are Mahavishnu Orchestra, Gong (76-78) and Weather Report.
I also like what i've heard of Bruford, Return To Forever and Stanley Clarke.
Awesome genre, and my grandpa has alot of jazzrock cd's!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 11:13


I absolutely love this album. By concept, brilliant. By performance, eclectic. By sensation, acutely breathtaking here and there.

I also consider it progressive. Perhaps Corea isn't entirely an adequate Jazz-Rock artist, but some things he made have the great prog impulse. (relative)
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