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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I'm using it as a usual word - any music can be progressive if it pushes boundaries and does something new, but that doesn't mean it belongs in the loose genre which we call "prog". I cite "Kind of Blue" as an example.

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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

 
Since it's a Return to Progressive Rock maybe it's Retroprogressive Rock (now I'm becoming a bit dizzy, I must confess).

the prog vs progressive semantics will make anyone a bit dizzy... LOL
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 


Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.

In that case, maybe Wobbler's music should be called Regressive Rock. Tongue

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it's not pushing limits, so maybe it's stagnant rock? LOL
A lot of bands that wear their influences on their sleeves still create interesting music. Even Wobbler is such an example. 

Since it's a Return to Progressive Rock maybe it's Retroprogressive Rock (now I'm becoming a bit dizzy, I must confess).
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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 


Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.

In that case, maybe Wobbler's music should be called Regressive Rock. Tongue

Coined! I'm so happy with this new potential genre to discuss!

it's not pushing limits, so maybe it's stagnant rock? LOL
A lot of bands that wear their influences on their sleeves still create interesting music. Even Wobbler is such an example. 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 


Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.

In that case, maybe Wobbler's music should be called Regressive Rock. Tongue

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 

Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.

To be sure, do you use the word "progressive" here as a usual word or as a part of the name/label for the kind of music called Progressive Rock? 
I'm using it as a usual word - any music can be progressive if it pushes boundaries and does something new, but that doesn't mean it belongs in the loose genre which we call "prog". I cite "Kind of Blue" as an example.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Sadly, we'd have to ask Peter Banks.  He's not talking these days.  Cry

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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 

Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.
I sort of view it the same way. I use the latter as a term for a musical IDEA and movement, whereas I use the former to refer to a style (a style with many different facets that don't always have to be present in the music, a minefield of exceptions this is).
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

This has been discussed many times by many prog experts, on this forum and others, and the general consensus is that no one is really sure. There is confusion caused by some conflating "progressive artists" from the 60s with the "prog rock" tag that came out in the 70s, just to make things a bit more fun.  

Yep...and I wish I had a dime for every time a thread was started on what is prog rock and when it started .
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A dime!!!! Christ almighty, a penny for each thread would get us unlimited funds....

And then there was that one guy from Canada who kept getting suspended on PA who referred to it as "pwog" -- he and Svetonio had a thing for record bins in British flea markets as the place "prog" was named.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Nobody called it "prog" or even "progressive") in the USA back then.  If anything, the labels "art rock" and "theater rock" were thrown around interchangeably.  
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I don't think I even heard the term "prog" until well into the 1990s.  I do know that Peter Banks (RIP) did not like the term one bit.  He thought the term "Dave" would be better. 

BUT okay, I don't know how much this quotation tells about USA, and by the way, I understand now where "the term" "Dave" comes from, as I've seen you referring to it before. LOL

But still, where does "Dave" come from?

Sadly, we'd have to ask Peter Banks.  He's not talking these days.  Cry
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I should remark that I deliberately intended for "forward looking" to be broad in meaning. And even when "progressive" is being used in the political sense, it still means "forward looking" in contrast to the conservatives who seek a return to the "good ol' days".

Prophesy, you seem to think of words as allways having the same meaning/connotation, but that is not so. It changes over the time and over all the places where the same word is used. In Denmark, for instance, as it has been already said in this thread, "progressive" has meant pretty much the same as "left-wing".

If you look in my Prog defining article again, you can see how "progressive rock" has been defined differently, or given different connotations, by different authors.
And now, you're trying to give it yet another connotation - like I've tried to do it with my article, as well. Smile

But if you're serious about it, then make a serious definition of it. It's not enough to say it's "forward looking music" to be able to distinguish between progressive rock and non-progressive - maybe for you but I'm quite sure, not for many others - which by the way, is another example of how differently the same words can be understood/interpreted.
Maybe study some more philosophy/linguistics, Prophesy, I guess that you're not familiar with Saussure.


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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I should remark that I deliberately intended for "forward looking" to be broad in meaning. And even when "progressive" is being used in the political sense, it still means "forward looking" in contrast to the conservatives who seek a return to the "good ol' days".

Prophesy, you seem to think of words as allways having the same meaning/connotation, but that is not so. It changes over the time and over all the places where the same word is used. In Denmark, for instance, as it has been already said in this thread, "progressive" has meant pretty much the same as "left-wing".
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

The term "progressive rock", taken literally, means "rock music that is forward looking".
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

The word "progressive" can be given different connotations, or more rightly speaking, it doesn't have any specific connotation by it self. For instance, as it can be read in this thread, in Denmark it has had a very political meaning.
and what does "is forward looking" exactly mean? Smile
 
I should remark that I deliberately intended for "forward looking" to be broad in meaning. And even when "progressive" is being used in the political sense, it still means "forward looking" in contrast to the conservatives who seek a return to the "good ol' days".
 
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 

Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.
In that case, maybe Wobbler's music should be called Regressive Rock. Tongue
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 

Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.

To be sure, do you use the word "progressive" here as a usual word or as a part of the name/label for the kind of music called Progressive Rock? 
 
They ought to be one and the same. If one labels a type of music as "Progressive Rock", then it should be:
 
(1) Progressive
 
(2) Rock
 
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

This has been discussed many times by many prog experts, on this forum and others, and the general consensus is that no one is really sure. There is confusion caused by some conflating "progressive artists" from the 60s with the "prog rock" tag that came out in the 70s, just to make things a bit more fun.  

Yep...and I wish I had a dime for every time a thread was started on what is prog rock and when it started .
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A dime!!!! Christ almighty, a penny for each thread would get us unlimited funds....
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 

Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.

To be sure, do you use the word "progressive" here as a usual word or as a part of the name/label for the kind of music called Progressive Rock? 


Edited by David_D - February 18 2022 at 13:04
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

This has been discussed many times by many prog experts, on this forum and others, and the general consensus is that no one is really sure. There is confusion caused by some conflating "progressive artists" from the 60s with the "prog rock" tag that came out in the 70s, just to make things a bit more fun.  


Yep...and I wish I had a dime for every time a thread was started on what is prog rock and when it started .
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

This has been discussed many times by many prog experts, on this forum and others, and the general consensus is that no one is really sure. There is confusion caused by some conflating "progressive artists" from the 60s with the "prog rock" tag that came out in the 70s, just to make things a bit more fun.  

Yep...and I wish I had a dime for every time a thread was started on what is prog rock and when it started .
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Wobbler's music is a copy of music done in the 70's. It is not original or pushing boundaries, therefore, it can not be progressive. 

Ah but there is a difference between "prog" and "progressive" (in my mind anyway) and Wobbler's music is prog, but not progressive because it's pretty retro.
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