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Posted: May 02 2017 at 07:33 | ||
Glad to see the forum hasn't changed...
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NateHevens
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 21:05 | ||
Outside of Pop, I'd say that most of them do. In Rap, Hip Hop, and R&B, you actually have to at least be the most prominent part of your writing team to get any major respect within the community (it's a massive insult to say a Rap, Hip Hop, and/or R&B artist has ghost writers; which I realize seems odd considering sampling and all that, but sampling is considered part of the writing process in this context; please note that I'm not offering any opinions on the genres or artists, here). And it's a largely accepted convention in Rock, Blues, and Metal that you write your own music, or if you have a writing team, that writing team is your band. I know for a fact that guitarists like Chantel McGregor (Blues guitarist and singer/songwriter), Anna Calvi, Ava Mendoza, Kaki King, Marnie Stern, etc write their own music. Sometimes they have writing partners, but rarely, if ever, do they perform a song written by someone else, unless they're performing a cover (like when Chantel covers Led Zeppelin's Tea for One live... she probably has the most writing partners, but I know she writes most of her lyrics and solos and riffs herself; the partners will write drums and such). As for women who are vocalists in Prog... I don't know as much, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they did write at least some of the songs they sing, if not being a constant part of the writing process for all the music. I think Pop is the only genre where the artist not writing their own songs is the convention.
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mlkpad14
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 20:15 | ||
When I saw Hackett live, there was no woman on guitar... Does she play a big role in his concerts?
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Dellinger
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 19:27 | ||
I think there's a woman playing in Steve Hackett's touring band... guitar I think. But still, I don't think it's a very prominent role, since you know who will play the more prominent guitar role. Now, about women getting a bigger role on certain genres... I wonder how many of them actually write their songs... or even do more than just sing. |
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Rednight
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 14:19 | ||
So many responses here to laugh at (not with). And this thread apparently has legs. The answer is ... : Women in my sadly limited experience like music that's simple. It's as simple as that.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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kugel
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 13:11 | ||
No offense, but I can totally dance to most prog I listen to. Up to and including Opeth. ;)
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SteveG
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 13:07 | ||
MOTHER SUPERIOR JUMPED THE GUN: UNKNOWN ALL FEMALE PROG ROCK GROUP FROM THE 1970S
Seen here on an unknown TV show, the band does an original, almost Yes-like take on the Stephen Stills classic, “Love the One You’re With.” (Here’s a link to their interesting cover of the Beatles’ “Lady Madonna.”) Edited by SteveG - May 01 2017 at 13:09 |
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kugel
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 13:06 | ||
This has been the story of my life! So I grew up in Minneapolis, and moved here to Seattle only 2 years ago, when I was 40. I am very glad to report that at the Rush R40 show in 2015, and again just 2 nights ago at the Kansas show, I saw many more fellow female fans than I'm used to. I think a lot of it is sociological: The more gender-traditional your location, the less likely women are to do things unexpected of us. It is sad, to me at least, but I have seen many other examples of this throughout my life. I was the only woman I knew who went out for a bite to eat or a drink by myself, when I still lived in Mpls.; and that is also not the case here. Straight men are less freaked out by my behavior here. I could go on and on...
I have to add, I saw Yes alone in 1991 in downtown Minneapolis though, and trust me -- the situation now could be way, way worse. xD
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 11:10 | ||
^You should check out Japanese symph proggers Ars Nova. All girl band.
Speaking of the Japanese and women: OOIOO. |
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NateHevens
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 11:04 | ||
Actually, there's a very large and growing community of women getting recognition in Blues, Punk, Grunge, and Metal as well. To be honest, I know a lot of women who love prog. It was a group of women who introduced me to Steven Wilson and Porcupine Tree, and just a month ago, I sat down and listened to ELP's album Trilogy, on vinyl, with a group of five other people (not including me)... I was the only man in the group, and the album belonged to one of the other women (though I do own my own copy). We let the music wash over us, occasionally discussing music theory, timing, and so on in context of the songs. Where I find the disconnect is that, no matter how hard I try, I can't find any women who play Prog. I listen to so many women guitarists, but they all play Blues, or Folk, or Metal, or Grunge, or Punk... I'm still searching for a woman who takes her cues from David Gilmour, or Steven Wilson, or Steve Howe, or even Jimi Hendrix... The only women guitarists I listen to who don't really play Blues, Folk, Metal, Punk, or Grunge (and that's debatable) are Ava Mendoza, Anna Calvi, Kaki King, Marnie Stern, and St. Vincent... but they aren't Prog, either. There is one guitarist who plays... not Prog, but experimental guitar... Wata from the Japanese Experimental Noise/Sludge Metal band Boris. And while I know women who's skills on the piano are beyond amazing, they either play Classical, Pop, Rock, Blues, R&B, or Hip Hop. Same idea with women I know who are drummers, bassists, etc. I know and/or listen to so many talented musicians who are women, yet the only women I can find in prog are vocalists... and that's it.
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Timdano
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Posted: April 30 2017 at 09:08 | ||
My wife likes some prog... Steven Wilson, Pineapple Thief, The Dear Hunter and Haken. But honestly, it's due to the music being prog but also very "catchy" in a commercial sense. So her ear picks up on really good songrwriting sans it being prog. Does that make sense? Off-the-charts prog to her though, "sounds like Castlevania" to which I reply, "cool".
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micky
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 13:14 | ||
hah.....well said! Submissiveness sucks.. in pets, men and women. Dogs are for losers... anything someone can mistreat and still comes back and loves you is pathetic. Any cat owner can tell you stories of how they somehow pissed off their cat and found cat sh*t on their pillow. Now that is character man.... Don't f**k with cats.. .they rule.. they really don't deserve proggers but at least they can appreciate them and at least try to understand them. |
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HackettFan
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 12:59 | ||
Edited by HackettFan - April 29 2017 at 13:20 |
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mechanicalflattery
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 11:56 | ||
Let's not go down that route, before someone inevitably tries to argue that both prog-listening and cat ownership are inextricably linked to higher intelligence and/or cultural sophistication. Surely dogs and pop music are for the plebeian masses, those that seek immediate gratification, while only the intellectual elite can understand the importance of a ten minute masturbatory keyboard solo or of an animal that stares blankly at the corner for 5 hours before tearing your couch to shreds. These are enriching experiences that the peasantry will never know, bound eternally within their own ignorance and shortsightedness.
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aglasshouse
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 11:43 | ||
Different strokes for different folks. Girls'll like prog if they like it, simple as that. If the majority don't then whatever, that's fine.
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ginodi
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 10:37 | ||
My ten-year old daughter loves Prog. She has seen Ian Anderson, Steven Wilson, Dream Theater, Persephone's Dream, and a couple Pink Floyd Tribute bands. My wife likes some of it.
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micky
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 08:23 | ||
*spits beer on monitor* ahhh.. well named I suppose speaking of.. another topic far more interesting than why more women don't hang out at PA's.. which is really what these threads really boil down to. What is the collaboration between liking prog (or hanging out at PA's if you will) and being cat fanatics. Lord have mercy this forum is full of cat lovers. None more so than my dear wife Edited by micky - April 29 2017 at 08:24 |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 04:01 | ||
^ .....actually, looking back, please don't ask what that previous post was all about.......
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Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 29 2017 at 02:46 | ||
I think you're all tucked ............
.............any skeletons, any skeletons, any skeletons in the closet.............. |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 02:37 | ||
I once dated a girl who liked Van Der Graaf Generator (although no other Prog) but she was a complete basket case. She said it was just Hamill's anguished voice that she enjoyed. Her second favourite band was Smokie. Women....?
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