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Posted: November 02 2021 at 21:44
Atavachron wrote:
What today's elections show is what we've traditionally seen: the true majority of voters state-to-state are moderate, often conservative, and basically want their communities to be well and their kids to be safe. The Dems need to more deeply grasp this or continue to inexplicably lose to Trump republicans in '24. It's not so much about politics as it is about schools, crime, jobs and first responders. Abortion & gun laws may be hot issues but not immediate ones. It ain't rocket science.
Would you say voters are exhausted by the spat between progressive and moderate Dems for which there is seemingly no end in sight (with the result that the first year and a half of Biden's presidency is going to be a wash)?
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Posted: November 02 2021 at 21:32
What today's elections show is what we've traditionally seen: the true majority of voters state-to-state are moderate, often conservative, and basically want their communities to be well and their kids to be safe. The Dems need to more deeply grasp this or continue to inexplicably lose to Trump republicans in '24. It's not so much about politics as it is about schools, crime, jobs and first responders. Abortion & gun laws may be hot issues but not immediate ones. It ain't rocket science.
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Posted: November 01 2021 at 10:56
Well, here we ago again... and again... and again... and again... It's almost like getting a monthly colonoscopy.
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 17:20
Lewian wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
Lewian wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity
towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed.
Evidence? Also, if this is what you go by, would you support making vaccination mandatory for those who don't fall into your "most" category?
There are at least 80 studies, the largest coming out of Israel
that includes over 2 million people.
Israel has 2 million healthcare workers? All in a study? I was asking for evidence for the claim you made of course "most of the health care workers...". I don't think there are 80 studies about this one, I'd be surprised if you could point me to a single one.
Healthcare workers are not people? Does it matter if the
individuals in the studies were Healthcare workers, schoolteachers etc.? My only assumption was that most of them
already came into contact with the virus and have immunity.
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 17:16
BaldJean wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.
All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade,
I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you
put it, are more fit for the job.
Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted
covid again.I worked in very close proximity
with her.We did not abide by the 6 feet
rule and masking bs.I did not get re-infected,
and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.
and how, pray, do you know if someone is naturally immune?
Use the same metric as they do for the vaccine efficiency; antibody test.
Yes, the immune system is extremely complex and antibodies
are just a part of it.However, if you get
your antibody levels checked, you’ll know if came into contact with the virus
and build immunity towards it.You can
also compliment that test with a T cell memory test.
Fact of the matter is, natural immunity is far superior then
the experimental gene therapy.
What metric did they use to come to the conclusion that the
vaccine is waning and boosters are necessary?I thought it was an antibody test.
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 16:30
CosmicVibration wrote:
Lewian wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity
towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed.
Evidence? Also, if this is what you go by, would you support making vaccination mandatory for those who don't fall into your "most" category?
There are at least 80 studies, the largest coming out of Israel
that includes over 2 million people.
Israel has 2 million healthcare workers? All in a study? I was asking for evidence for the claim you made of course "most of the health care workers...". I don't think there are 80 studies about this one, I'd be surprised if you could point me to a single one.
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 16:00
CosmicVibration wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.
All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade,
I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you
put it, are more fit for the job.
Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted
covid again.I worked in very close proximity
with her.We did not abide by the 6 feet
rule and masking bs.I did not get re-infected,
and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.
and how, pray, do you know if someone is naturally immune?
Use the same metric as they do for the vaccine efficiency; antibody test.
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:49
BaldJean wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.
All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade,
I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you
put it, are more fit for the job.
Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted
covid again.I worked in very close proximity
with her.We did not abide by the 6 feet
rule and masking bs.I did not get re-infected,
and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.
and how, pray, do you know if someone is naturally immune?
Use the same metric as they do for the vaccine efficiency; antibody test.
Edited by CosmicVibration - October 31 2021 at 15:50
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:42
CosmicVibration wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.
All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade,
I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you
put it, are more fit for the job.
Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted
covid again.I worked in very close proximity
with her.We did not abide by the 6 feet
rule and masking bs.I did not get re-infected,
and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.
and how, pray, do you know if someone is naturally immune?
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:33
The Dark Elf wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
Frontline
workers were considered heroes at the beginning of this pandemic.Now their careers will be ruined and they
will be discarded like garbage.
FJB
New York State health care workers will no longer have a
religious exemption to the state's Covid-19 vaccine mandate after a federal
appeals court vacated a temporary injunction Friday.
Nearly 16,000 health care employees
in New York State have been granted religious exemptions by their employers
prior to Friday's court ruling, the state's health department confirmed to CNN
Friday night.
That's 15,844 employees of
hospitals, nursing homes, adult homes, Certified Home Health Agencies (CHHA),
Licensed Home Care Service Agencies (LHCSA) and hospice facilities, said
Jeffrey Hammond, deputy director of communications for the New York State
Department of Health.
The irony here is these addled folks are claiming some type of "religious exemption" for a medical procedure....and yet they are working in a medical field where vaccinations are a prime deterrent for contagious diseases. Buh-bye. Get new jobs as snake charmers or televangelists hawking healing bleach. Perhaps join the Amish and make furniture.
Part 2 of the irony, they seem to ignore the prime directive of their religion - at least alleged Christians - wherein "what you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me", or "love thy neighbor as thyself." There's is a selfish take that actually goes against their supposed religious principles. Of course, there is a long history regarding the flexibility of religious principles and the bending and warping of said principles to allow for slavery, persecution and intolerance. Genocide, racism, caste -- one can make religion do just about anything, which makes sense, as religion is a man-made concept.
STFU, get vaccinated, or find a job that suits the 2000 year-old precepts of your mythological floating sky deity. A shepherd. Or a stone mason. Maybe a temple guard or subsistence farmer. Or just go full-blown stone age and be a hunter/gatherer.
Although misplaced, I agree to some of your banter...The company I work for doesn’t consider
scientific logic but they accept the irrationality of religion.They didn’t
want to consent to my antibody test but they gave me an exemption on the
absurdity of religion.
Nothing misplaced, except for your inane reply. Your attitude toward your "religious exemption" proves my point. You don't deserve an exemption based on some phony religious excuse, and neither do any of the healthcare workers. There is no "religious" reason to preclude a healthcare worker from a medical mandate for all healthcare workers. Again, if the person is seeking an exemption because their religion forbids it (and I'd love to see the scriptural semantic gymnastics required to pull that out of their god's exalted posterior), they should not be working for a science-based medical institution. They should read Tarot, or draw horoscopes, burn incense or clutch their rosaries rather than rely on medicine.
CosmicVibration wrote:
I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity
towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed. Why are
they being discriminated against? Never
mind logic, where is grade school common sense?
It's a requirement. For all workers. There is no discrimination. Saying, "God commands that I should get a raise" will not work at their annual job review either, even when quoting scripture. Or quoting Spock's "Live long and prosper" for that matter.
And there are scientific studies that show quite clearly you are more likely to spread Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated. You should not be around sick people if you will in all likelihood get them even more ill.
"And there are scientific studies that show quite clearly you are more
likely to spread Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated. You should not be
around sick people if you will in all likelihood get them even more ill."
We are comparing natural immunity to vaccinated immunity. Even without any studies, if you have any clue as to how the gene therapy works it should be obvious.
Edited by CosmicVibration - October 31 2021 at 15:34
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:28
Lewian wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity
towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed.
Evidence? Also, if this is what you go by, would you support making vaccination mandatory for those who don't fall into your "most" category?
There are at least 80 studies, the largest coming out of Israel
that includes over 2 million people.
And hell no, I don’t
support the mandatory and experimental gene therapy for anyone.US is supposed to be a free society not communist China or North Korea.
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 15:11
CosmicVibration wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
Frontline
workers were considered heroes at the beginning of this pandemic.Now their careers will be ruined and they
will be discarded like garbage.
FJB
New York State health care workers will no longer have a
religious exemption to the state's Covid-19 vaccine mandate after a federal
appeals court vacated a temporary injunction Friday.
Nearly 16,000 health care employees
in New York State have been granted religious exemptions by their employers
prior to Friday's court ruling, the state's health department confirmed to CNN
Friday night.
That's 15,844 employees of
hospitals, nursing homes, adult homes, Certified Home Health Agencies (CHHA),
Licensed Home Care Service Agencies (LHCSA) and hospice facilities, said
Jeffrey Hammond, deputy director of communications for the New York State
Department of Health.
The irony here is these addled folks are claiming some type of "religious exemption" for a medical procedure....and yet they are working in a medical field where vaccinations are a prime deterrent for contagious diseases. Buh-bye. Get new jobs as snake charmers or televangelists hawking healing bleach. Perhaps join the Amish and make furniture.
Part 2 of the irony, they seem to ignore the prime directive of their religion - at least alleged Christians - wherein "what you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me", or "love thy neighbor as thyself." There's is a selfish take that actually goes against their supposed religious principles. Of course, there is a long history regarding the flexibility of religious principles and the bending and warping of said principles to allow for slavery, persecution and intolerance. Genocide, racism, caste -- one can make religion do just about anything, which makes sense, as religion is a man-made concept.
STFU, get vaccinated, or find a job that suits the 2000 year-old precepts of your mythological floating sky deity. A shepherd. Or a stone mason. Maybe a temple guard or subsistence farmer. Or just go full-blown stone age and be a hunter/gatherer.
Although misplaced, I agree to some of your banter...The company I work for doesn’t consider
scientific logic but they accept the irrationality of religion.They didn’t
want to consent to my antibody test but they gave me an exemption on the
absurdity of religion.
Nothing misplaced, except for your inane reply. Your attitude toward your "religious exemption" proves my point. You don't deserve an exemption based on some phony religious excuse, and neither do any of the healthcare workers. There is no "religious" reason to preclude a healthcare worker from a medical mandate for all healthcare workers. Again, if the person is seeking an exemption because their religion forbids it (and I'd love to see the scriptural semantic gymnastics required to pull that out of their god's exalted posterior), they should not be working for a science-based medical institution. They should read Tarot, or draw horoscopes, burn incense or clutch their rosaries rather than rely on medicine.
CosmicVibration wrote:
I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity
towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed. Why are
they being discriminated against? Never
mind logic, where is grade school common sense?
It's a requirement. For all workers. There is no discrimination. Saying, "God commands that I should get a raise" will not work at their annual job review either, even when quoting scripture. Or quoting Spock's "Live long and prosper" for that matter.
And there are scientific studies that show quite clearly you are more likely to spread Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated. You should not be around sick people if you will in all likelihood get them even more ill.
Edited by The Dark Elf - October 31 2021 at 15:12
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 14:48
CosmicVibration wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.
All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade,
I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you
put it, are more fit for the job.
Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted
covid again.I worked in very close proximity
with her.We did not abide by the 6 feet
rule and masking bs.I did not get re-infected,
and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.
I don’t know anything about American employment law, but I do have some experience of British law, having represented members over many years as a union rep, and what John said is, in fact, the epitome of employment law here. It is all about the contract of employment. Unless it can be displaced as discriminatory in some way, the contract of employment put in place does allow an employer to put in place expectations and requirements. That is their right.
Fact. The vast majority of cases won by employees over here are not, in fact, regarding the unfairness of the employment contract, but over procedural mistakes made by the employer. A lawyer’s paradise.
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 14:28
Easy Money wrote:
^ Thats not discrimination, all jobs have requirements and expectations. If you can't meet the jobs expectations, then you are not fit for the job.
All this time I thought you were a smart fella… What is the facade,
I mean the purpose, of the proposed vaccines?Those with natural immunity exceed that purpose and therefore, as you
put it, are more fit for the job.
Recently, a colleague at work that was fully vaccinated contracted
covid again.I worked in very close proximity
with her.We did not abide by the 6 feet
rule and masking bs.I did not get re-infected,
and yes I did not comply to the experimental gene therapy mandate.
Edited by CosmicVibration - October 31 2021 at 14:29
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Posted: October 31 2021 at 13:03
The Dark Elf wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
Frontline
workers were considered heroes at the beginning of this pandemic.Now their careers will be ruined and they
will be discarded like garbage.
FJB
New York State health care workers will no longer have a
religious exemption to the state's Covid-19 vaccine mandate after a federal
appeals court vacated a temporary injunction Friday.
Nearly 16,000 health care employees
in New York State have been granted religious exemptions by their employers
prior to Friday's court ruling, the state's health department confirmed to CNN
Friday night.
That's 15,844 employees of
hospitals, nursing homes, adult homes, Certified Home Health Agencies (CHHA),
Licensed Home Care Service Agencies (LHCSA) and hospice facilities, said
Jeffrey Hammond, deputy director of communications for the New York State
Department of Health.
The irony here is these addled folks are claiming some type of "religious exemption" for a medical procedure....and yet they are working in a medical field where vaccinations are a prime deterrent for contagious diseases. Buh-bye. Get new jobs as snake charmers or televangelists hawking healing bleach. Perhaps join the Amish and make furniture.
Part 2 of the irony, they seem to ignore the prime directive of their religion - at least alleged Christians - wherein "what you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me", or "love thy neighbor as thyself." There's is a selfish take that actually goes against their supposed religious principles. Of course, there is a long history regarding the flexibility of religious principles and the bending and warping of said principles to allow for slavery, persecution and intolerance. Genocide, racism, caste -- one can make religion do just about anything, which makes sense, as religion is a man-made concept.
STFU, get vaccinated, or find a job that suits the 2000 year-old precepts of your mythological floating sky deity. A shepherd. Or a stone mason. Maybe a temple guard or subsistence farmer. Or just go full-blown stone age and be a hunter/gatherer.
Although misplaced, I agree to some of your banter...The company I work for doesn’t consider
scientific logic but they accept the irrationality of religion.They didn’t
want to consent to my antibody test but they gave me an exemption on the
absurdity of religion.
I bet most of the health care workers have a more robust immunity
towards covid then those that have been vaccinated and weren’t exposed. Why are
they being discriminated against? Never
mind logic, where is grade school common sense?
Edited by CosmicVibration - October 31 2021 at 13:05
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