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Rednight

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Posted: May 20 2016 at 06:23

Pastmaster wrote:

Hercules wrote:

1) Robert Fripp is absurdly overrated as a guitarist.

YES

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Posted: May 20 2016 at 06:22

I don't mind DT's music so much but LaBrie is like NOOO. Esp when he croons Oooo at the start of Another Day.

I agree heartily with Booba on Bent Knee. Amazing band!

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Posted: May 20 2016 at 05:33

Unusual opinions for round here...

- I love Dream Theater, and The Astonishing is a stunning album.

- This, now, is prog's real Golden Age.

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Posted: May 20 2016 at 01:33

Oh, so many interestin posts! Clap

Here are my 2 cents...

Agree with one fellow progger here that No Earthly Conection is the all time best Wakeman's solo album and one of the all time best classic sympho prog albums.

SGT Pepper is an important milestone, but musically is not as good as Abbey Road or White ALbum.

Never considered Wakeman's Six Wives as his best and never really liked it.

Never cared too much about The Wall: too long, too many fillers.

Lizard is my all time fav Crimson, their peak, IMHO.

I find most of those endless issues/reissues of KC live bootlegs worthless.

Many call Duke the last Genesis prog album. Tried many times, but never liked it: thin sound, poppy songs.

I always hated Lasse Holie artwork, design and videos. It's horrible, IMHO, tasteless and ugly. I hated it since the artwork of In Abcentia. I think that partially "thanks" to his ugly artworks Porcupine Tree didn't break into mainstream big time, as they deserved. I know that Steven loves it, but I still prefer pre-Holie album design!

Never understood the hype about Riverside. Not bad, but nothing really special.

Saw Blackwater Park on very top positions of many lists of the best prog metal albums. Some even say it's the best. I think it's ok, but not even in top 20. Three last Opeth albums are much better, IMHO.

Siberian Khatru is my fav Yes song, and its best version is on Keys of Ascension.

I think Drama was the real drama for Yes. This is the only Yes album I never owned (along with others w/out Anderson).

I don't think Yes can exists w/out the pair of Anderson/Squire. They are the core that define Yes.

I quite like many neo-prog bands, but never dug IQ, except of a few songs.

Bent Knee is the best prog band in America now.

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Posted: May 19 2016 at 20:36

Hercules wrote:

OK! 10 to get started with:

1) Robert Fripp is absurdly overrated as a guitarist.

2) Prog does not constantly have to progress: the original term was simply coined to describe non-commercial (ie not chart) music with a high level of musicianship.

3) At least as much good prog has been made since 1983 (the birth of neo-prog) as was made up to that time.

4) Neo-prog is not a separate genre.

5) Jon Anderson has one of the most annoying voices in prog.

6) James Labrie has the other.

7) Dream Theater are instrumentally the most gifted band around but lack any compositional skill whatsoever.

8) Genesis from And Then There Were Three onwards would be quite enjoyable if you hadn't heard anything before that.

9) Ian Anderson is a pretty terrible flute player.

10) Geddy Lee of Rush and Burke Shelley of Budgie are actually the same person.

This is hilarious.

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Posted: May 19 2016 at 20:01

oh how interesting... hmmmm

Hercules wrote:

OK! 10 to get started with:

1) Robert Fripp is absurdly overrated as a guitarist.
only if one tried to put him onto a shelve I've seen little of.. a great guitarist.. in a genre filled with them. Nothing more.. nothing less. Didn't I read an interview once where he said he thought Greg Lake was a better guitarist than him.. so what does that make Lake? LOL

2) Prog does not constantly have to progress: the original term was simply coined to describe non-commercial (ie not chart) music with a high level of musicianship.

bullsh*t... it was called progressive music.. heard it one time ..heard it 1000 times on 70's era decriptions of that music.. that scene. Some PR dude probably cooked up PROG as a nice easy tag for lumping together all kinds of dissimilar bands and music for the purpose of dividing audiences to make it easier to market to them. LOL

and you are missing the boat if you don't realize there are two different things at play here today. Prog rock the genre.. music as progressive as Celine Dion.. yet touching all the stylistic norms.. that make prog prog. There there is the modern progressive rock scene. Some get lumped in with rock.. some have progressed far past even a lazy lumping.. music that is progressive in nature. Perhaps touching enough stations to be lumped in with prog.. some more far out that even prog fan won't touch it.

3) At least as much good prog has been made since 1983 (the birth of neo-prog) as was made up to that time.

Clap

but none of it by groups considered to be Neo. LOL

4) Neo-prog is not a separate genre.

agreed... just file under Genesis clones and talent challenged...

5) Peter Hammill has one of the most annoying voices in prog.
hahha

6) James Labrie has the other.
amen brother!!!

7) Dream Theater are instrumentally the most gifted ~~band~~ cpllections of instrumentalist around but lack any compositional skill whatsoever.

corrected for you man
8) Genesis from And Then There Were Three onwards would be quite enjoyable if you hadn't heard anything before that.
says about 1% of the worlds population. bullsh*t... far better, far more interesting pop music than prog. Like that is a crime or something to be ashamed of. Hey some bands just didn't have the chops or the talent to make it as prog bands. No harm in admitting it. Good pop is better than boring prog anyway...

9) Ian Anderson is a pretty terrible flute player.
AMEN BROTHER!!! Why else did he have to strike the pose... to get people not focusing on his playing...

10) Geddy Lee of Rush and Burke Shelley of Budgie are actually the same person.

who???

hah....

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Posted: May 19 2016 at 17:54

Hercules wrote:

10) Geddy Lee of Rush and Burke Shelley of Budgie are actually the same person.

I used to think the same thing about Charlie Rose and Tony Brown. I still do.

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Posted: May 19 2016 at 17:24

Hercules wrote:

1) Robert Fripp is absurdly overrated as a guitarist.

YES

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Posted: May 19 2016 at 16:03

^

Good stuff Herc! LOL

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Hercules

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Posted: May 19 2016 at 15:39

OK! 10 to get started with:

1) Robert Fripp is absurdly overrated as a guitarist.

2) Prog does not constantly have to progress: the original term was simply coined to describe non-commercial (ie not chart) music with a high level of musicianship.

3) At least as much good prog has been made since 1983 (the birth of neo-prog) as was made up to that time.

4) Neo-prog is not a separate genre.

5) Jon Anderson has one of the most annoying voices in prog.

6) James Labrie has the other.

7) Dream Theater are instrumentally the most gifted band around but lack any compositional skill whatsoever.

8) Genesis from And Then There Were Three onwards would be quite enjoyable if you hadn't heard anything before that.

9) Ian Anderson is a pretty terrible flute player.

10) Geddy Lee of Rush and Burke Shelley of Budgie are actually the same person.

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Posted: May 19 2016 at 09:50

I think Neal Morse's solo albums are way better than anything Spock's Beard ever did.

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Posted: May 19 2016 at 09:37

Some days I feel like the best album from the 70's is "Melos" by Cervello, and other days I feel like it is Darwin by Banco.

I get angry at people who "can't stand screams/growls/screeching"

http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/

wtf

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Posted: May 18 2016 at 19:01

twalsh wrote:

emigre80 wrote:

^I remember when returning from a year abroad in England to my college in upstate New York, I brought along some albums I had purchased when abroad. The student in the room next to me came by one day and said (after listening to what I was playing) "You have such unusual taste in music!"

I was listening to the Police's Regatta de Blanc.

I guess it's all a matter of context.

Pretty obscure stuff there.

Oh, I would never listen to anything mainstream.

twalsh

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Posted: May 18 2016 at 18:38

I was listening to the Police's Regatta de Blanc.

I guess it's all a matter of context.

Pretty obscure stuff there.

More heavy prog, please!

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Posted: May 18 2016 at 18:19

^I remember when returning from a year abroad in England to my college in upstate New York, I brought along some albums I had purchased when abroad. The student in the room next to me came by one day and said (after listening to what I was playing) "You have such unusual taste in music!"

I was listening to the Police's Regatta de Blanc.

I guess it's all a matter of context.

Edited by emigre80 - May 18 2016 at 18:19

twalsh

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Posted: May 18 2016 at 17:25

This is the only place in my life where my musical tastes are considered conservative and unadventurous.

More heavy prog, please!

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Posted: May 18 2016 at 14:36

gerunding wrote:

Io Sono Murple is sonically more hilarious than Pokey the Penguin.

Rednight

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Posted: May 18 2016 at 14:02

The in-a-row combo of Clock Out, Timing X, and Wiggly World off Devo's Duty Now for the Future always seemed to me an homage to the sounds of Keith Emerson/ELP.

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Posted: May 18 2016 at 12:29

Rednight wrote:

Two songs on Loggins and Messina's live On Stage album, Angry Eyes and Vahevala, have extended sections of musical experimentation that lend themselves to a somewhat proggy sound. Rather enjoyable and highly recommended.

"Angry Eyes" is just an awesome jazz-rock trip to begin with. For me it's the #1 classic "song you love by a band you don't otherwise care for." And yes, that extended live version is terrific. I'll have to check out the live version of "Vahevala" now. I vaguely know the song itself but all I can remember is the "Vahevala, homeward sail away" refrain.

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Rednight

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Posted: May 18 2016 at 12:10

Two songs on Loggins and Messina's live On Stage album, Angry Eyes and Vahevala, have extended sections of musical experimentation that lend themselves to a somewhat proggy sound. Rather enjoyable and highly recommended.

"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno