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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 08:03 |
Zilly, I agree about most post-rock bands too. Not all though. Try the album Hex by Bark Psychosis. That's much more prog.
Now Math Rock bands are much more progressive to my ears.
Edited by James - June 29 2009 at 08:04
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JayDee
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 08:01 |
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 08:00 |
Epignosis wrote:
James wrote:
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Now Deadwing is a masterpiece of prog music.
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No way.
Arriving Somewhere But Not Hear is the only track I really like.
The opener isn't bad either.
The rest I could live without.
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Who cares what you like?
I said it was a masterpiece, damn it. A masterpiece.
And when I say so, it is so. Period. End of discussion.
Worship me.
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I'm with James. And I just listened to Deadwing yesterday. Poorest new-styled PT, compared to In Absentia and FOABP, by miles and continents. And Arriving Somewhere But Too Late To Save A Drunk Rob is the only good piece from it. Maybe Halo too, because I enjoy it in live concerts.
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Dalezilla
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:58 |
I don't think any post-rock bands are prog.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:54 |
Oh and I don't care if a band is prog or not prog, as long as I enjoy their music.
I've said it before but a lot of the bands under RIO/Avant-prog aren't actually prog.
Univers Zéro... are they really prog? It's debatable. Stormy Six? The only reason they're under this genre is 'cause they were RIO. They're more like prog folk with a few avant-garde tendencies.
However, Die Knodel and Six Cylindres en Vie I don't feel are that prog, yet the'yre usually called avant-prog.
All four of the above bands are awesome though and their prog (or lack of) credentials do not bother me.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:50 |
I'm not surprised. It's very mesmerising most of the time.
I may move it back to being in my signature... not sure.
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JayDee
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:41 |
Simon is mesmerized by your avatar James.
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Dalezilla
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:41 |
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:41 |
You know, like Zilly, I don't give two hoots if an album is prog or not... If you look at my review pie chart, the highest number are Prog-Related albums, many of which are not even THAT related - and a good deal of them got five stars from me. As I am sure many of you will attest, there is an awful lot of bad prog around, stuff that makes you wish you had no ears (and that I have to review for another site). PT, thank heavens, are not a bad band by any means, though I would hesitate to call them favourites of mine. I just object to their being hailed like the best thing since sliced bread.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:36 |
Dalezilla wrote:
I don't find most of PT proggy, but I don't care. Something being prog doesn't make it better for me. In fact most of my favorite bands arent' prog. I find it funny how a lot of people seem to think that an album has to have prog elements to be good. (not saying any of you are like this)
I also don't generally like proggy albums by non-prog bands. The Decemberists being a good example.
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Are you saying The Decemberists shouldn't be on P.A. then? And no, I mostly have problems with Steven Wilson's voice. I find it rather grating. Plus I've never been a huge fan of repetitive chorus'. Therefore a song like Halo really annoys me, as does Shallow. Hence why I prefer FoaBP over Deadwing. Although hearing "Way out of here" all the time does grate on me too after a while. It seems I like the two longest tracks (and also the ones with Akerfeldt on) the most from Deadwing. I didn't realise this until a moment ago.
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JayDee
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:35 |
James wrote:
I've only heard Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet and Coma Divine Live.
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I think now is the right time to listen to In Absentia and Lightbulb Sun.
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:32 |
James wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Now Deadwing is a masterpiece of prog music.
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No way.
Arriving Somewhere But Not Hear is the only track I really like.
The opener isn't bad either.
The rest I could live without.
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I said it was a masterpiece, damn it. A masterpiece.
And when I say so, it is so. Period. End of discussion.
Worship me.
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Dalezilla
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:32 |
I don't find most of PT proggy, but I don't care. Something being prog doesn't make it better for me. In fact most of my favorite bands arent' prog. I find it funny how a lot of people seem to think that an album has to have prog elements to be good. (not saying any of you are like this)
I also don't generally like proggy albums by non-prog bands. The Decemberists being a good example.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:27 |
I've only heard Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet and Coma Divine Live.
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JayDee
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:27 |
James wrote:
I've not heard In Absentia,
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I find this surprising James.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:23 |
Epignosis wrote:
Now Deadwing is a masterpiece of prog music.
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No way. Arriving Somewhere But Not Hear is the only track I really like. The opener isn't bad either. The rest I could live without.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:21 |
Now Deadwing is a masterpiece of prog music.
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:21 |
No, I actually liked PT best when they played psych/space rock.... If I want to listen to heavy music, I'll get some hard rock or heavy metal (yesterday I listened to Cynic's Focus for the first time, and was utterly blown away), and when it comes to 'modern prog', TMV float my boat much more than PT will ever do. As to Deadwing, I just think the songs are better... "Arriving Somewhere But Not Here" owns anything on In Absentia, IMHO.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:19 |
I dislike most of Deadwing and find it a very weak album.
Fear of a Blank Planet is better though.
I've not heard In Absentia, so cannot comment on it.
I don't find Deadwing particulary proggy either. FoBP is proggier though in places but again, still not completely prog.
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JayDee
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:12 |
Does that mean you prefer the heavier side of Porcupine Tree Ms. Raff? BTW I also liked Deadwing more than In Absentia.
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