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Posted: January 06 2012 at 07:34

Fine, fine, lose interest in prog, you never really loved prog anyway. Did you? Did you??? Cry

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: January 06 2012 at 07:22

I tend to binge on bands. Currently I'm playing Crimson, endlessly. Before that it was the Decemberists. For a while, I went back to 90's Indie music...

My tastes seem to cycle, but I've always come back to prog rock. That said, I've little interest in modern prog bands, who try to emulate classic prog bands. It just seems a little pointless tome, and not very 'progressive'

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 23:06

I guess everyone's tastes shift as do musical moods. Personally, I haven't touched a Genesis record in months and have been listening to a ton of Zappa, after going years without picking up any of his stuff...

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 22:26

I haven't quite lost interest in prog, but I worry about it happening because its some of the best music I've heard. So I "manage" my music listening, and take breaks from prog, usually to listen to something that sounds to me sort of "counter-prog" especially simple folk music or certain female vocals--something simply relaxing like Norah Jones.
Sometimes I'll listen to classical as well, but I'm already a little burned out on it (having already listened to it almost exclusively for 2-3 years a while back).

So, I can totally see your shifting of interest into classical as a natural step away from prog rock. Personally, if I were to make a top-10 list of the best musical works ever made regardless of genre, most of it would be classical (probably Holst's "The Planets" being at the top).

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:00

It's a great site. More laid back. Not as much activity, but jazz isn't treated as an exclusive club. Obviously some things don't belong, and will never be there, but it is structured in the big tent approach. As a bonus it has a color scheme that annoys Henry Plainview. Tongue

I find nothing wrong with the fusion there or Prince, Joe Jackson, ECM artists that don't belong here...

Edited by Slartibartfast - January 05 2012 at 18:03

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 17:58

I, too, have been quite glad to see JMA start to slide away from fusion a bit. Like others have said, I absolutely love fusion, but the bias towards it could alienate more traditional jazzers. Trying to do my part to make the website a comprehensive database.

I've ended up taking a lengthy break from Prog myself. However, I haven't lost interest: I just have more interest in jazz. And a limited budget to spend on new music. Plus, I'm a jazz musician myself, and listening to jazz is easily as important as practicing it if you want to get good.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 15:43

Guys, I do plan to join the site...... of course, I want to shove my opinions down people's throats, just like here!

But I can tell you now, most of my jazz is fusion, too.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 15:08

recently, i have been expanding my interest in 70s prog, with a lot of new recordings from that period (krautrock, fusion, heavy prog) there is so much brilliant material from that period, especially from the UK and Europe
I find if i dig deeper, there are no regrets, just a greater appreciation of the 70s
I am sure there is a lot of great newer recordings, but i don't have the time or inclination

Edited by presdoug - January 05 2012 at 15:13

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 14:11

Dear BaldFriede, don't worry and take a break. I think "interest in prog" is not so much about "interest in prog" as such, meaning the particular albums we use to discuss here.

By learning to like prog, what we actually do is training our ears and brain to appreciate qualities in music which we (albeit certainly subjectively) identify with quality work delivered by the artists.

Whether you keep on listening to prog or not, this training remains in your ears and brain, and sooner or later you will listen to something that you identify as "good music" and you will enjoy it, whether it's what we define as prog-rock or not it doesn't matter.

And in any case it's likely that you will someday feel like listening to your old prog favourites again

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 14:05

js (Easy Money) wrote:

Well we aren't into disparaging fusion fans at all, I love really good fusion from the early 70s, but its nice to see the site hitting more of a balance lately.

Anyway, this thread is probably off track, ...that's all folks.

The only reason i haven't joined is that i am pretty much only into Jazz/Fusion and there's only a few albums that i have that i could review there that aren't on this site. I do have some John Coltrane and Donald Bryd but can't think of any others.Oh i have a band called CIRCLE and their "Live In Paris" album from the early seventies.Free Jazz i guess with Chick Corea,Dave Holland and 2 other guys who's names i forget, but other than that i don't have much to offer.Anyway good luck with the site guys !

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 13:50

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Look on the bright side. JMA could be overrun with John Tesh and Kenny G fans.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 13:45

Well we aren't into disparaging fusion fans at all, I love really good fusion from the early 70s, but its nice to see the site hitting more of a balance lately.

Anyway, this thread is probably off track, ...that's all folks.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 13:42

Look on the bright side. JMA could be overrun with John Tesh and Kenny G fans.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 13:40

thehallway wrote:

I will head over eventually, but I feel that right now, I'd just be adding to the problem. If the admins could find a community of Duke Ellington fans...... a Gershwin appreciation society..... I don't know, a 'bop forum'..... they might be able to pull them in and get a much more comprehensive, well-rounded and fun site.

There may be other established sites about jazz, but if they don't have a user reviwing capacity then visitors to such sites might be exactly the kind of people that JMA can lure in!

The number of people who can write good reviews about jazz besides fusion has increased quite a bit lately.
As one of the original builders of the site I was concerned from the very beginning that the site would have a big fusion fan base and would not be attractive to non-fusion jazz fans. I even advised Max against recruiting too heavily from the PA membership.
Overall, its been a struggle for the site to break from its jazz-rock beginnings.

Speaking for myself, I've been into all kinds of jazz since way back: Gillespie, Parker, Ellington and Coleman Hawkins are all part of my collection.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 13:39

I think, as the great Tim Smith once said: "I don't like bad songs". I think this is the phrase that fits here at this time.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 13:17

thehallway wrote:

There may be other established sites about jazz, but if they don't have a user reviwing capacity then visitors to such sites might be exactly the kind of people that JMA can lure in!

But you could go there and start a Bop-appreciation thread. I'm sure you'd get plenty of responses, and I'm sure there would be some nice lengthy discussion.

JMA is still taking baby steps to getting noticed by non-PA members. There's already a few people there that did not come over from PA.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 13:13

thehallway wrote:

Padraic wrote:

thehallway wrote:

The only trouble with JMA is it's full of people from PA.

Stupid PA people have to ruin everything.

I should elaborate. It's not the fact that they emigrate from here that is a problem, but their naturally proggy tastes. I know that JMA are struggling to build a fanbase, but the huge slant towards fusion will definitely confuse and/or put off a lot of people who want to celebrate swing or big band jazz (for example). Earlier types of jazz are almost ignored over there.

In the real world, fusion, funk and rock-influenced jazz play a small part in the history of jazz music, and the cause of JMA's disproportionate focus on these subgenres (which will look like a bias to any random visitors) can only have been caused by the people who flocked there from PA.

Well we're trying. You should come on over and help.

You have to remember, however, that a large majority of people who are fans of any non-fusion jazz, are either members of another established site, too old to work a computer, too old to find JMA, or dead. There aren't many people into jazz as prog, rock or metal.

There is actually a lot of discussion of non-fusion jazz from the 40s-80s, and modern stuff as well. It's the reviews and ratings that are a large majority fusion, or classic albums from late 50s/early 60s. There are reviews of plenty of different styles of jazz, unfortunately, these albums have maybe 1 or 2 reviews only. But the site is young, and I remember when PA was a little slow and such, and I didn't discover this site until summer 2005, it had been around for 3 years already.

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Posted: January 05 2012 at 12:26

Tired of bad prog,not of good music!

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