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Points: 8677 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 09:57
I've recently started vinyl collecting due to receiving a large amount of used vinyls as a gift. And one thing I've noticed is that almost all of them have problems ... pops, cracks, distortion, just from being stored for years. When shopping for records, you have to know how to spot this without playing the record to ensure that you're going to get an album that isn't full of artifacts. So for me, getting a record, while really cool, always has a level of risk to it. This is more so when I'm buying music online, because a lot of older records can only be grabbed used, and you have to rely on the seller to represent their music properly. So, for convenience and stability's sake, I find that I still prefer the CD.
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Points: 363 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 09:48
Yes i have heard that the TAAB newspaper is something to behold, altho the CD version i think contains all the info, it isn't quite the same. And yes the Yes covers are beautiful, prob worth seeing those in large. Thank you for your posts I shall consider my options based on the useful tips
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 08:55
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I reckon some prog LPs would be worth buying on vinyl and TAAB is one that springs to mind for the cover. I don't own it on CD but I suspect the CD cover may not contain all the information on the vinyl edition. This is certainly the case for "Olias of Sunhillow" where the vinyl has the booklet with the story to the album and the CD only has the outside pages.
 
And of course the artwork is much bigger on the vinyl editions. I would buy the vinyl version of Yessongs for the Roger Dean cover alone (if I didn't already have it).


That's a good point - and it's also what I've been doing for a while now. I buy less vinyl albums and focus on those with interesting artwork.
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A Vinyl was nice to take in your hands, looking at the cover's details while you were listening to the music. The shape of the tracks was visible. You was able to understand if it was a slow and calm or a fast and heavy track just looking at them on the disc. Some booklets, in particular Rick Wakeman's early albums were very impressive. The CD is a different kind of object. It's as "warm" as an mp3. The cover is just a picture, and it's not possible to put inside it a newspaper like on Thick as a brick. Also, when CDs appeared in the market,  the physical support was cheaper, but CDs were more expensive... I hate CDs since then. The sound has too much "dynamics" respect to the vinyl. It's good for electronic music, but bad for acoustic instruments that are quite "innatural". However, CD is quite dead as well as vinyl. Flash RAMs are the present and YouTube stuff is going to be the future. Very bad.    
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Points: 324 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 08:03
Hey I'm just a teen but I still by vinyls. I'm not claming that they have a better sound, but certainly a different one, that goes better with some music. +Sometimes rare records get realeased on vilyl only.
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Points: 20030 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 07:36
I reckon some prog LPs would be worth buying on vinyl and TAAB is one that springs to mind for the cover. I don't own it on CD but I suspect the CD cover may not contain all the information on the vinyl edition. This is certainly the case for "Olias of Sunhillow" where the vinyl has the booklet with the story to the album and the CD only has the outside pages.
 
And of course the artwork is much bigger on the vinyl editions. I would buy the vinyl version of Yessongs for the Roger Dean cover alone (if I didn't already have it).
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 07:09
My advice:

1. Get yourself an affordable record player (preferable with USB interface and software to rip and transfer albums) and buy LPs in thrift stores
2. Buy the remastered editions of some of the albums as MP3

Don't listen to people who claim that MP3 sounds inferior. With the appropriate bitrate MP3 sounds just as good as the original, and all the current stores use these bitrates. Let me give you an example:

http://www.amazon.com/Thick-As-A-Brick/dp/B000T1GKH2/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1263301603&sr=301-1

Currently priced at $6.99, and you get the 1997 remaster plus all the bonus tracks. This leaves you (compared to the CD) enough money to also buy a used copy of the vinyl LP, and you get both worlds.

BTW: My personal opinion is that new remasters (90s and newer) almost always sound better than the vinyls. So if you're mostly interested in the music and not in the collector's value, I'd recommend to buy MP3s only.
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Thank you for your thoughts. I guess there is an elemant of 'collector' in wanting to own the vinyls, but from what you've said it makes sense that, if you love the music, to acquire that music in whatever format available, and if you happen to have a cd player, get em on CD if this is easiest... it's the music rather than the gimmick of the format.
 
Haha it seems to me that you have an elemant of both sides... as you cant bare to part with your more prized ones.... I can certainly see where you are coming from.
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Points: 17516 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2010 at 18:32
Hi,
 
I say get the CD ... I'm on the way to about 1200 LP's from 2500 originally ... and I am not a collector ... I only have what I love ... end of story.
 
To my way of seeing it, a lot of these gimmicks, are just commercial efforts and if you are a music lover, the gimmicks are not needed and you can get away from them.
 
That's the way I think though ... it's almost like saying that the music is not worth collecting if it had a Hignosis cover, and I can tell you that was not true at all ... from the strangest to the weirdest ... it was all tops ... and some stuff was magnificent and then some ... but to me this was what "art" was about and "expression" ... and these days, in a board like this, there are too many commerical pundits that love to go around saying something is not this or that ... because it is not listed in the top ten, or because it does not have the mandatory 74/69 time required on the verse after the chorus that makes up someone's definiton ... or the one I just saw on Bass Player magazine, just to give you an idea how stupid it can get .... "the minor chords that define jazz ... " like minor chords have not been a part of any other music ... EVER ... I doubt that person has ever heard anything else in his life! See?
 
I say you go for the music ... and unlike the LP's ... CD's are getting a lot more material out there than LP's ever did ... though in the beginning rock and long cuts and experimental musics still had a place for it to come out ... today they do, by themselves and there is no promotion to help you find it ... and in many ways you do not want someone to tell you any of this ... music is best when you can come to it on your own ... an dlearn it by yourself.
 
It's about you ... so if you want to "collect" ... fine ... hope you make enough money! ... but most of those people out there are not about the music and they never were. And there are a couple of things that someone has offered me big money for ... but man ... I guess that I am a stupid sentimental fool ... the music in those is so special to me ... I can't even say yes to getting rid of the LP.


Edited by moshkito - January 11 2010 at 18:37
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Points: 363 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2010 at 18:12
Not sure this is the correct place for this but.....
 
im big into my prog these days, especially the 70s stuff. I am also a mere 26 years old. I have therefore never owned an old record player, only cds (gasp!). I was wanting peoples opinions on the difference in listening to these old records as they were intended compared to on CD, For example ive always wanted to hear Thick as a Brick on vinyl..... Is it worth my time getting a record player? or just stick to getting CDs? Thanks for any replies
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