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Catcher10 
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
 Posted: September 12 2011 at 19:35 |
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^ Atlanta clearly is not a vinyl town with only 10 stores........Seattle has probably double that, with 4-5 in just the Tacoma area with a population of 3million.
Maybe the owners here will buy their inventory....more for me Yaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 19:29 |
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Actually, try the end of the record store:
http://www.ajc.com/business/criminal-records-owner-plans-1160071.html Criminal Records owner plans November close"There are more than 700 independent record stores nationwide. Many have closed their doors saying they cant compete with Amazon, iTunes and big box retailers such as Best Buy or Target that sell new releases at deep discounts. If Criminal closes, that will leave the metro Atlanta area with a half-dozen independent stores that sell new or used CDs or vinyl records. Levin rattled off nearly 10 independent music stores in Atlanta or Decatur that have shuttered in recent years."""There is something uniquely human about having a physical location and a physical record selection to look through," Malek said. "And it's not really fun to wait for things to show up in the mail."" Yes and also a big no for the last bit. The last couple of b&m stores I visited online had no section where you could browse their stock and buy things, which I find very dumb, unless for some reason you can't mingle online and in store sales. This is the computer age for crying out loud. Not everyone can physically travel to your stores. Or guess at what they might want to order. One can support the other. Enough rant. Edited by Slartibartfast - September 12 2011 at 19:52 |
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Andy Webb
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Retired Admin Joined: June 04 2010 Location: Terria Status: Offline Points: 13298 |
Posted: September 12 2011 at 19:25 |
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Start of a new decade, end of another, whatever
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Dean
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 19:17 |
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OMG! the decade ends in 2011! Run for the hills!!!!!
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Andy Webb
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 19:07 |
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It's the end of the decade, and CDs aren't leaving anytime soon, even if you have a really nice sound system that plays vinyl better.
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 12 2011 at 19:01 |
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This added distortion is not muffled or muddied - that's a different problem completely and nothing to do with valves or matching transformers. This colouration in valves cannot be removed or eliminated, it is a fundamental property of the valve/tube and of the matching transformer - it is physically impossible to design and construct a valve power amplifier that does not have this characteristic just as it is physically impossible to design and construct a violin that sounds like a piano.
One comment I would add about "soundstage" is that you cannot change a soundstage once it has been recorded - as Jay has said - it is not possible to make it any more "huge" than it was when the mixing engineer created it, if the image was muddled and busy in the final mix nothing will ever make it better than that. However, by the same argument, it is also not possible to make it any worse.
Speaker positioning is important when reproducing a recorded soundstage in a listening environment, but straight through (ie separate and not cross-coupled) stereo amplifiers and cables cannot affect this "image" - even the most powerful and complex audio analysis and processing cannot reposition a musical instrument in a recorded soundstage, so a single length of wire has no chance. Also human beings are only able to locate sounds to an accuracy of around 8 degrees which tends to limit how much separation it is possible to detect in a soundstage (of course the mixing engineer is able to pan an instrument with absolute precision, but if he were to place two separate instruments 5 degrees apart you would not be able to tell which was one was to the left and which was to the right). Now this is a bit of a simplification and I did say "separate and not cross-coupled" - the overall stereo image width can be altered by cross-coupling, the simplest and most noticeable form of this is the "mono" button which adds all the left channel to the right and vice-versa, and so collapses the stereo image to a mono one - here the sound stage is the narrowest it can ever be. You can do this to a lesser degree and make the overall stereo image just a little narrower, this can be very effective when listening on headphones and some headphone amplifiers have this as a feature, you can also do it over selective bands of frequencies to make the effect less dramatic, you can also widen the image by adding a phase-shifted portion of each channel into the opposite channel. All of these things require extra circuitry to make happen and they cannot happen "accidentally", they also only affect the apparent width of the overall soundstage, they do not (and cannot) reposition or move individual instruments and sounds within that soundstage separately and they cannot "blur" the instruments within that image. Now, you can chose to believe all that or ignore it as you see fit, I honestly don't care. Like Jay, I spend time and effort in creating a soundstage when I produce a recording and I put a lot of thought into how to set up instruments in that stereo image - if my playback equipment could not reproduce that soundstage I would be wasting my time.
before you ask: there are lots of things I have yet to do in my life, but (church) bell ringing isn't one of them.
for one album I even had a long debate with the band being recorded on whether we should position the individual drums from the drummer's perspective (ie snare to the left and toms to the right) or from the audience's perspective (snare on the right)... and to be frank, I doubt anyone noticed what we did in the end.
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Negoba
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Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: September 12 2011 at 15:29 |
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Transparent = nothing changed from input signal to output signal (or as little as possible)
You cannot have two transparent systems with one "cold, unlistenable" and another "natural, lifelike"
Perhaps you're confusing this with separation, where you can hear individual instruments well. While a good set up of your stereo will make a difference for this, the mixing of the source will make a MUCH bigger difference. If the recording is in mono and had no EQ on the mixing end, it's going to be narrower and more muddled and your system is only going to be able to do so much.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Catcher10
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 15:18 |
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But that's my point........I think Dean has proven that "lamp cord" used for speaker wire carries the electronic signal just the same as some of these hyped up copper, gold, hyper-allergenic, non-oxidizing, wire..blah, blah, blah....ones that cost 10x what lamp cord costs.
Do you believe that or agree with Dean's assesment?
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Catcher10
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 15:13 |
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So if in my system I hear ring bells and songbirds......its as good as what you have? I'll go with that.......but if you tell me I have to have a US$5000.00 tube amplifier to hear the ring bells and songbirds accurately, then I have disagree with you. I guess what you believe is that even though scientifically, electronically it is proven that the solidstate NAD amp (for example) sounds as good or better than a Jolida tube amp......you don't buy that? To your ears a tube amp sounds better period?I mean somewhere in all this talk you have to have a clear black and white belief in your mind.
Does this make sense?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 15:12 |
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even more, a well choosed 5 dollar one may sound better than a coloured 50 dollars one. There are over expensive power, speakers or modulation cables which sound very bad in a way or another and downgrade the sound...i'm only interested in the ones that enhance my sound. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 15:04 |
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My system sounds transparent AND musical.
There are billion dollars ultra high end systems based on digital source and solidstate amplification only, using the best loudspeakers, which are extremely transparent and precise but unlisteneable because not musical: too cold, electronic, which is the contrary of a natural, lifelike sound. The kind of system you'll stand five minutes because there's no pleasure whereas i can listen my system whole days without fatigue. Edited by oliverstoned - September 12 2011 at 15:08 |
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Negoba
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 14:44 |
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"My system sounds WAY better for everybody, everybody can hear how much more transparent it is compared to everything else they heard in their life."
Transparent systems don't necessarily sound good to everyone. That's the point.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 14:38 |
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Because we don't measure the good criterias...science is not all Price means nothing, there are good and bad things at all prices...like for everything else. I'm very tired of repeating that for years. But i admit that a system cannot be really good without valve (or at least hybrid) in the highs. And the cheapest amp to my knowledge is around 600 euros. You'll find (very) high end solidstate amps who try to sound as well in the highs but eventually fail to compare and cost as least three times more! Edited by oliverstoned - September 12 2011 at 14:56 |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 14:33 |
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There's huge minsunderstanding due to the fact that none of you are experienced. People love my system because it's NEUTRAL and it's transparent, everything but coloured, wide range (by using solidstate and valve at their best through bi amp), dynamic and extremely precise.
I must precise that some "bad" tube amps sound coloured (but some solid state do as well), i'm only interested in neutral sounding elements anyway. A coloured device may be pleasant but will "eat" some music. You can stay in your cave one century and eleborate very complex theories, i just hope that some day you'll get out of it to discover that it's about exactly the contrary that what you'd expect. My system sounds WAY better for everybody, everybody can hear how much more transparent it is compared to everything else they heard in their life. It's not due to Holy spirit. Some examples: thanks to tube and the whole synergy, you hear ring bells, songbirds, you'll get a clearly articulated bass line...a huge soundstage that you've never heard on this record you now very well. EXACTLY the contrary of a coloured, muffled tube sound. Again, the difference between experience and theory. It happens that bitter narrow minded scientists feel secretly jealous of these "non engineers" people who have fun with hifi. Edited by oliverstoned - September 12 2011 at 14:35 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 14:23 |
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It has been proven here, scientifically, mathematically, electronically...others (insert)ally......That the "add-ons" to a sound system, like thicker speaker cable, special cable connects with gold plated stuff, separate power sources......and other stuff mentioned (I have forgotten most, this thread is so long), do not make the sound of the source any better. And what I am referring to is a technical/specification point of view....$50 per foot cable does not sound better than $5 per foot cable...and so on.
In my 30 yrs of sound systems, it is very evident that the main selling feature of audio equipment is "the more expensive it is the better it sounds.." Ummm Hogwash!!
For sure there is a price point where quality and sound is very evident to anyones ears....but once you get passed that $1000.00 price tag for a set of speakers, I have yet to hear an appreciable difference that will make me pay $5000.00 or more. Also in my 35+ yrs of listening to music, I never find myself needing to listen at such levels for long periods of time that require speakers that will "move walls". My experience has always been if I listen at lower to moderate levels I hear all that I need to hear, sonically, I do not believe I am missing any details.
Now I have always spent most of my available funds when shopping for equipment on speakers. I recently auditioned Epos, Quad and B&W bookshelf speakers, priced from US$600-US$1200/pair. The B&W CM1 had the best bass response....but in general they all sounded the same. And actually my initial response was "my system sounds better". But I think this has more to do with what my mind knows as the norm...we are creatures of habit when it comes to music, we like and prefer what we have been listening to for the past xx years. Speakers are easy.....
Where we get hype thrown at us is in the components, the stuff we can't actually hear make music, so we only use the specs to buy from and determine if its krapp or good. So many audio sellers have been telling me "you don't need tone controls anymore in your amp, its not needed if you want to hear true music" I'm like what?? Number one I like tone controls, adding or taking away low or high is sometimes a good thing. And not all music sounds good with a flat playback response.....at least to my ears.
Anyhow, I think it has been said enough on this thread. If you wanna spend big bucks on your hifi system then go ahead, if you wanna buy the $50 per foot speaker cable and all the other add on stuff then go ahead.
But I also think it has been proven scientifically that some of these add on pcs do not improve the sound any better or at all, compared to the standard issue add ons.
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Negoba
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 13:55 |
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Oliver,
As far as the ego thing goes, and I'm much less experienced than Dean...some of us have spent alot of time working with sound and studying it. Dean also has REAL electronic expertise that clearly you don't have.
There are parts of sound reproduction that are subjective and some are simply facts of physics. You mix these up so often as to be a joke. But you're in a narrow field of knowledge such that most don't know the difference but at least they admit it.
As a guy who spent alot of time learning mixing and a little mastering, where the subtle differnces in the sound of music are essential to the job, some of the things you are saying are just off.
Here's what's likely going on..."Oliver likes the coloration that his system adds to his music." Probably even, "Most people like the coloration that Oliver's system adds to recorded music." It would interesting to try to figure out what those things really are instead of making up words like "clarity" or "definiton" which actually are not what's going on.
Again, people who mix for a living spend a lot of money on truly transparent systems. They do NOT sound "good" to every random listener, precisely because they add absolutely nothing to the source. But they are essential to getting a recording that will work on multiple systems.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 12 2011 at 13:34 |
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It is not "extreme high details" and it certainly is not "transparent". Due to the non-linearity of valve voltage amplification there are harmonic artifacts present in the signals that were not present in the original recording - that is what you are hearing. You think that this is a property of the original recording but it is not. These harmonics are pleasant to hear, very pleasant indeed because they are "in-tune" with the original recording signals - they are (by definition) harmonious, but they are colourisation on the original recording added by the valve amplifier. If what comes out of an amplifer is spectrally differnent to what went in then that is not transparency - transparency is the faithful reproduction of the original signal, with no colourisation and no harmonic distortion.
I'll state again for the record - I love valve amplifiers, I own two and I have built several from scratch over the past 40 years. My initial training in electronics back in the 1970s was using valves, I have worked with valves in radio, radar, audio and even computing applications. I know how valves work and how they are used in many applications, I know their capabilities and their limitations, my knowledge in this area is both theoretical and practical. (yeah, my "ego" has qualifications and I have worked hard at being a knowledgeable expert
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No it is not.
Your "observations" are not "experiment".
I have never claimed this and never will. I provided scientific counter arguments to your unscientific claims.
People are permitted to have a different opinion to you, and they are permitted to state that opinion.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 07:22 |
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From your link: "Snobbery: Digital audio technology has been denigrated since its introduction by a small but fervent group of audiophiles who insist that the sound it produces is "harsh," unlifelike, and generally inferior to that of analog recordings. The revelation that CD sound is imperfect was undoubtedly an appealing story for some of them to spread. " So if digital hurt your ears compared to vinyl, it just means that you're snob. It's the second crime of audiophiles: they're suspected of being rich and snob and abble to afford better gear to achieve better sound. Some people feel jealous and prefer to convince themselves and try to persuade others that it's pure snobism and that sound enhancment is impossible. Edited by oliverstoned - September 12 2011 at 07:26 |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 12 2011 at 07:05 |
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From the mass and quality of the Hydra power distribution center with it's dynamic openness, the clarity gleaned from the Anaconda Alpha/Anaconda VX, and the direct detail obtained from the interconnects and speaker cables. Shunyata Research has put a very positive signature on Crest National's, Hollywood reference listening experience." -- Jon Truckenmiller, Sr. VP Engineering: Crest National Studios Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Look Out Sound Studios Upon casual inspection, one might wonder whether Look Out Sound Studios was named after its scenic Montana surroundings or its astounding recording facilities. An overview of Lookout's principal mastering and playback systems will make the name far less ambiguous. Look Out owner Brett Allen spared no expense in assembling the finest Direct Stream Digital recording systems and playback equipment in the world. Lookout utilizes the state-of-the-art Genex DSD hard drive systems, as well as the Solid State Logic 9048K XL, the top 5.1 analog mixing console in the world. Look Out sports the finest recording, mastering and playback equipment, including multiple pairs of Wilson Audio's Statement speaker systems, the X2 Alexandrias. Halcro amplification and digital playback systems from Meitner labs complete Look Out's monitor and playback systems. The name Look Out is obviously intended to serve notice that reference-quality recording and mastering is alive and well in Montana. Lookout's Bret Allen was referred to Shunyata Research power-systems by the principals of Halcro, Wilson Audio and VTL, who use Shunyata products within their own testing and playback systems. After extensive tests and comparisons, Look Out Studios purchased an entire series of Shunyata Research power-system products based on the performance they offered within recording and playback systems. "We are using various Shunyata products to further our quest for the best signal path in tracking, mixing, and mastering. The Hydra Model-2 and Hydra Model-6 on various vintage guitar amps and vintage analog keyboards have made a world of difference in clarity and punch. We are using the Python line for our 24-track tape machine, DACs, tube preamps, and tube microphone power supplies. On the power amps we have the Taipan line. Again I have noticed more definition in the transients. Overall I think that Shunyata products are an integral part of taking the critical listening system to the next level." -- Brett Allen, Studio Manager: Look Out Sound Studios Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lacquer Channel Mastering (Canada) Considered Canada's premier mastering facility, Lacquer Channel works with many of the world's most renowned recording artists, including U2, Bryan Adams, Holly Cole and many others. These top artists sought out Lacquer Channel because of their reputation as Canada's most well-equipped and professional recording and mastering facility. Lacquer Channel mastering engineer Phil Demetro discovered Shunyata Research products through a local dealer, and discovered that the Hydra and PowerSnakes products significantly improved the resolution of their mastering and playback systems of which they are now a permanent part. Lacquer Channel actively recommends Shunyata products to their contacts in the mastering and recording industries. "After trying numerous top shelf brands of power distribution and IC's for my mastering facility, only the Shunyata Research Hydra's and PowerSnakes remained as a vital part of my signal path and playback system. It's never been so easy to achieve the great sound that I have been striving for -- I no longer have to reach for my equalizers to find space for the details that I now have in spades. Lower noise levels let me get deeper into a mix without sacrificing power to my equipment. No anemic sounds here! Just music that always sounds right. I want to re-master my whole discography now!" -- Phil Demetro, Mastering Engineer: The Lacquer Channel, Toronto Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sony Music (Japan) Mastering Facility The name says it all. At the very top level within Sony Music recording and mastering labs, no one is more exacting, more obsessive about sound and performance than the men in charge of their recording and mastering labs. Everything must be perfect, and cost is no object when it comes to recreating music and sound that is true to life. The top Japanese executives from Sony Music were exposed to Shunyata Research products during James Guthrie's re-mastering of Dark Side Of The Moon for SACD at Guthrie's Das Boot Studio. Mastering engineers Guthrie and Doug Sax endorsed Shunyata Research products to the principle executives from Sony Music, and facilitated the loan of Shunyata products for testing within Sony's Mastering systems. After lengthy testing, a series of Shunyata Research power-system products were purchased for use in Sony Music's mastering facilities. All music mastered within Sony Music's Japanese facility is now being mastered using Shunyata Research power-system products. Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Memory Technology (Japan) Memory Technology is the largest CD/DVD manufacturer in Japan and one of the largest in the world, with over $100 million annual sales. Memory Technology is part of the largest trading firm in Japan, and also owns and runs music and video production companies. Memory Technology became aware of Shunyata Research products through Japanese Music Industry contact Maiko Nagae. After critical evaluations were performed, Memory Technology ordered Shunyata Research power-system products for use in their top testing and production systems. Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter McGrath Peter McGrath is widely recognized as one of the most accomplished recording engineers working in the world today, with a resume of recordings and top recording artists dating back some thirty years. Peter also manages the east coast sales division for premier US speaker manufacturer Wilson Audio. Peter McGrath thoroughly tested Shunyata Research's Hydra power products and found them to significantly enhance the resolution of his playback and recording test systems. Peter continues to use Shunyata's Hydra products in both his home and with his recording work. He considers them indispensable to achieving the best sound possible Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Jersey Philharmonic Orchestra "To put this into context, I am a trustee of the Philharmonic Orchestra of New Jersey. I have played several instruments and now frequently listen to live jazz and classical instrumental and vocal performances. My goal in a stereo system is to reproduce the actual performance and its environment as closely as possible. I am a skeptic about power cords (and other wirey stuff) and I rely on my ears to tell me what is real. So I plugged the Shunyata power cords (Taipans and Copperheads) into my system, put on a choral disk and sat back anticipating the effort that may be required to hear any subtle difference they might make. I was shocked with amazement. It took no more than listening to the first few bars of the opening chorus to hear the dramatic difference in sound quality these power cords allowed within my system. I tried another disk, same impact, then another, same impact... and they were not even broken in yet. Here is what I heard: The most dramatic effect was an improvement in transduced acoustics. Previously I heard vocal or musical instruments that sounded excellent but were missing something relative to a live performance experience. Now I heard harmonic depth within and between voices and instruments that provide the richness and stage presence of a live performance. Now the individual voices and instruments interact with one another as in real life. Now I easily heard the small echoes, reverberations and other cues (some people call this inner detail) associated with a live performance space that were previously absent. The speed of dynamic changes in percussion instruments (attack) were also improved to better resemble a live performance. All in all, the system now produces an audio hologram that much more closely approximates a live performance. Thanks for your recommendation of this excellent product." -- Doug Munch, New Jersey Philharmonic Orchestra <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>> Source: http://www.shunyata.com/Content/endorsements-Prof.html |
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oliverstoned
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Her's the heart of the problem with you, you said it yourself:
"I find the arrogance of untrained amateur audiophilists knowing better than qualified professional audio design engineers mildly insulting" It's an ego issue You're insulting me and the audiophiles as well by saying that we're ripped off by companies selling us unuseful accessories. I've tested the slightest modification or accessory added to my system before buying anything; i'd neverinvest any euro if i can't hear a real difference. So i could feel very insulted by your speech. I'm not rich nor crazy nor snob and i've got good hearing as well. One time i bought a "Siltech" (a dutch cable's brand) power cable to feed my subwoofer. This power cable completly changed my sound but in a bad way: it lowered my low end to the point i had to sell it back and change for another cable and now i have a powerful bass again. Al that to say that power cables (among other things) affect sound, sometimes in a bad way. More info on power theory: http://www.shunyata.com/Content/ac_overview.html Another example is the day i brought a nice power cable ("Wireworld") to my father-in-law in order to try on his system an he was very skeptic about it. I plugged the cable on his integrated amp instead of the stock one. He admited he heard the difference and was puzzled but didn't want to BELIEVE; you'd have the same reaction. Edited by oliverstoned - September 12 2011 at 07:33 |
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