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Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:05

Most Important:

(tie)

Phil Collins
Bill Bruford
Neil Peart

Best:

Bill Bruford

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:00

Mike Portnoy without a doubt! Big%20smile

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:42

From Yesterday Prog? but today Jazz.

The Incredible Innovator, master :

Why him?

Simply because not only he can play rock/fusion but he can Jazz.. IN the 70's played and in their most important Progrock band of the prog-world. YES/KING CRIMSON/GENESIS/ GONG/ NATIONAL HEALTH. He solos aren't as boring/ extended and bombastic as other rock/jazz players. He has this unique reconcilable sound that is simply his own. he can hit the set as hard as John bohan and as soft as Jack de johnette ( legendary Jazz Player who stared with Miles in the 70's)

.He is simply the Best.

All these other players with the exception of bill Cobham I am pretty sure are and were influenced by Mr. Bill. Specially Bozzio, carey( KC's fan) Phill Collins( Love KC in the 70') , Portney is too young to include on this list However is my favorite of today prog but he was just baby when the other master were all ready superb players.

Carl Palmer and Neil peart were excellent players back in the 70's and 80's, but today he had left behind and had fall into trap of becoming classic rock player, that are only crowd pleases and had forgot the essential ingredient in a player. To reinvest themselves and to always challenge themselves as a player every time they played. I love Rush 70's and early 80's record but now Rush concert are simply just and classic rock. when Neil is gonna stop doing the same solos. He is being doing it for the past 20 years?

Edited by darksideof - July 16 2007 at 12:06

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:40

The most important in prog only?? IMO Bruford. Although I would add Barriemore Barlow to the list.

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:34

Mike Portnoy gets my vote, phenomenal drummer!

Phil Ehart (Kansas), Ian Paice (Purple), Brian Downey (Lizzy) are all great too.

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:21

Gavin Harrison is a great drummer. I have learned so much from him. I love his over riding theory. I advise anyone that is already pretty good on the drums to get that dvd.

the guy is just awesome with his own style. Beware the dvd is not for begginers. You have to be at least pretty good at odd time and the drums in general to even grasp what he is talking about. Great for Pro players looking for new avenues and ideas.

Gavin is really cool, and man what a great feel he has. Love his playling.

Joe

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:11

yes he is. on his gig. he needs to stay there and not embaraess himself again.

much respec to Neil because he does kick ass on his gig, but thats about it.

Edited by JOE MORRIS - July 16 2007 at 11:14

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:08

danny carey is a great drummer also

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:06

[QUOTE=kameelracer]

Who do you think is the best or the most important progressive drummer? You can vote here.

I'll start... Neil Peart

I think he's simply the best! He's really amazing!

QUOTE]

Do yourself a favor, find the buddy rich memorial concert on Dvd. Get the one that Neils on. He plays with Buddy Rich's band. See what you think of him then.

joe

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:04

I noticed your question is not about one's FAVOURITE drummer. If it were, the answer would be easy, but as I'm not a drummer myself, who am I to say who's best? It might be Bill Cobham or Pierre Moerlen (very impressive on GAZEUSE and ESPRESSO 2) - who can tell?

As for "most important" in a general sense, perhaps the answer is Phil Collins (no matter what myriads of Phil-bashers may say), since his playing has graced the very best albums by Genesis and Brand X, as well as a whole load of masterpieces (?) by John Cale, Brian Eno, Robert Plant and heaven knows who else. Our Phil even seems to have had a couple of minor hits!

But no, seriously, folks - I've said it before and I'll say it again. The best, most influential and MOST ENJOYABLE prog drummer of all is Bill Bruford, as proven by FRAGILE, CLOSE TO THE EDGE, LARKS' TONGUES IN ASPIC, RED, DISCIPLINE, FEELS GOOD TO ME, ONE OF A KIND as well as numerous EARTHWORKS albums. Hooray!!!

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:04

Hey if you doubt i know what im talking about please check out my web site at www.joemorris.net. some of the drummers mentioned are my friends. It still amazes me how uninformed some of you drummers are. Mike Portnoy. come on man. Progressive drummers like Thomas Lang, Dennis Chambers, Jo Jo Mayer, Neil Peart is great in Rush, ever seen him on another gig, I have, Its was downright sad, but i have a ton of respect for Neil. He kills the Rush gig. Marco Meniumin, Virgil Donnati, . i don't want to bash any drummers its not my thing. But some of the guys you think are great really are not. Bill Bruford is awesome a drummers drummer. Im sure there are other guys im forgetting. what about Billy Cobham, way ahead of his time. Or Rod Moragenstein with the Dregs. I wish i could remember Kansas's drummer, i think it was Phil Earheart, he was awesome. How about Simon Phillips when he played with jeff Beck. Tons of much better choices, but no one could ever argue with bozzio, hes on another planet. speaking of other planets what about the badest drummer around Vinnie Caliuta. I will agree with Dany carey also, great drummer. i know there are guys im leaving out but im just expressing my insight.

Just my opinion

Edited by JOE MORRIS - July 16 2007 at 11:10

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:03

Peart is way overated, in my opinion. His playing lacks originality. He is a fast man, sure, but lacks ideas. His fill-ins are very ordinary. He is in my opinion too tight-arsed to be a really good drummer (which is proven by the fact that he has been playing the same solo over and over again for years. I wouldn't even play the same solo twice).

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:56

Christian Vander anyone?

I think Morgan Ågren is my favourite drummer of all time.

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:39

Peart; but, Harrison is quickly gaining ground.

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:09

The most important, and probably the best (though as always, both facts are debatable) in my mind is Bill Bruford. Yes. King Crimson. Need I say more? And the display of talent on heart of the sunrise and long distance runaround prove his talent.

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:51

Other, of course. The man in my signature pic. it shows him playing with Brand X on a Japan tour of theirs (in 1999, if I remember right). The drum kit he uses here used to belong to Ginger Baker, by the way.

Edited by BaldFriede - July 16 2007 at 09:54

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:47

Gavin Harrison.

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Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:46

Who do you think is the best or the most important progressive drummer? You can vote here.

I'll start... Neil Peart

I think he's simply the best! He's really amazing!

Poll Question: Who is the best or most important progressive drummer?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Terry Bozzio	5	[3.16%]
Bill Bruford	59	[37.34%]
Clive Bunker	0	[0.00%]
Danny Carey	3	[1.90%]
Bill Cobham	3	[1.90%]
Phill Collins	8	[5.06%]
Virgil Donati	1	[0.63%]
Carl Palmer	21	[13.29%]
Neil Peart	36	[22.78%]
Mike Portnoy	6	[3.80%]
Other...	16	[10.13%]
This topic is closed, no new votes accepted

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stonebeard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057	Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:05
	Most Important: (tie) Phil Collins Bill Bruford Neil Peart Best: Bill Bruford
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JoaoPirucas Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 15 2007 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 94	Posted: July 16 2007 at 12:00
	Mike Portnoy without a doubt!


darksideof Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 22 2007 Location: Newark N.J. Status: Offline Points: 2318	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:42
	From Yesterday Prog? but today Jazz. The Incredible Innovator, master : Why him? Simply because not only he can play rock/fusion but he can Jazz.. IN the 70's played and in their most important Progrock band of the prog-world. YES/KING CRIMSON/GENESIS/ GONG/ NATIONAL HEALTH. He solos aren't as boring/ extended and bombastic as other rock/jazz players. He has this unique reconcilable sound that is simply his own. he can hit the set as hard as John bohan and as soft as Jack de johnette ( legendary Jazz Player who stared with Miles in the 70's) .He is simply the Best. All these other players with the exception of bill Cobham I am pretty sure are and were influenced by Mr. Bill. Specially Bozzio, carey( KC's fan) Phill Collins( Love KC in the 70') , Portney is too young to include on this list However is my favorite of today prog but he was just baby when the other master were all ready superb players. Carl Palmer and Neil peart were excellent players back in the 70's and 80's, but today he had left behind and had fall into trap of becoming classic rock player, that are only crowd pleases and had forgot the essential ingredient in a player. To reinvest themselves and to always challenge themselves as a player every time they played. I love Rush 70's and early 80's record but now Rush concert are simply just and classic rock. when Neil is gonna stop doing the same solos. He is being doing it for the past 20 years? Edited by darksideof - July 16 2007 at 12:06
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sircosick Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:40
	The most important in prog only?? IMO Bruford. Although I would add Barriemore Barlow to the list.
	The best you can is good enough...

WaywardSon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: April 23 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2537	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:34
	Mike Portnoy gets my vote, phenomenal drummer! Phil Ehart (Kansas), Ian Paice (Purple), Brian Downey (Lizzy) are all great too.

JOE MORRIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 16 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:21
	Gavin Harrison is a great drummer. I have learned so much from him. I love his over riding theory. I advise anyone that is already pretty good on the drums to get that dvd. the guy is just awesome with his own style. Beware the dvd is not for begginers. You have to be at least pretty good at odd time and the drums in general to even grasp what he is talking about. Great for Pro players looking for new avenues and ideas. Gavin is really cool, and man what a great feel he has. Love his playling. Joe
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JOE MORRIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 16 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:11
	yes he is. on his gig. he needs to stay there and not embaraess himself again. much respec to Neil because he does kick ass on his gig, but thats about it. Edited by JOE MORRIS - July 16 2007 at 11:14
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JOE MORRIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 16 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:08
	danny carey is a great drummer also
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JOE MORRIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 16 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:06
	[QUOTE=kameelracer] Who do you think is the best or the most important progressive drummer? You can vote here. I'll start... Neil Peart I think he's simply the best! He's really amazing! [/ QUOTE] Do yourself a favor, find the buddy rich memorial concert on Dvd. Get the one that Neils on. He plays with Buddy Rich's band. See what you think of him then. joe

fuxi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2459	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:04
	I noticed your question is not about one's FAVOURITE drummer. If it were, the answer would be easy, but as I'm not a drummer myself, who am I to say who's best? It might be Bill Cobham or Pierre Moerlen (very impressive on GAZEUSE and ESPRESSO 2) - who can tell? As for "most important" in a general sense, perhaps the answer is Phil Collins (no matter what myriads of Phil-bashers may say), since his playing has graced the very best albums by Genesis and Brand X, as well as a whole load of masterpieces (?) by John Cale, Brian Eno, Robert Plant and heaven knows who else. Our Phil even seems to have had a couple of minor hits! But no, seriously, folks - I've said it before and I'll say it again. The best, most influential and MOST ENJOYABLE prog drummer of all is Bill Bruford, as proven by FRAGILE, CLOSE TO THE EDGE, LARKS' TONGUES IN ASPIC, RED, DISCIPLINE, FEELS GOOD TO ME, ONE OF A KIND as well as numerous EARTHWORKS albums. Hooray!!!

JOE MORRIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: July 16 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:04
	Hey if you doubt i know what im talking about please check out my web site at www.joemorris.net. some of the drummers mentioned are my friends. It still amazes me how uninformed some of you drummers are. Mike Portnoy. come on man. Progressive drummers like Thomas Lang, Dennis Chambers, Jo Jo Mayer, Neil Peart is great in Rush, ever seen him on another gig, I have, Its was downright sad, but i have a ton of respect for Neil. He kills the Rush gig. Marco Meniumin, Virgil Donnati, . i don't want to bash any drummers its not my thing. But some of the guys you think are great really are not. Bill Bruford is awesome a drummers drummer. Im sure there are other guys im forgetting. what about Billy Cobham, way ahead of his time. Or Rod Moragenstein with the Dregs. I wish i could remember Kansas's drummer, i think it was Phil Earheart, he was awesome. How about Simon Phillips when he played with jeff Beck. Tons of much better choices, but no one could ever argue with bozzio, hes on another planet. speaking of other planets what about the badest drummer around Vinnie Caliuta. I will agree with Dany carey also, great drummer. i know there are guys im leaving out but im just expressing my insight. Just my opinion Edited by JOE MORRIS - July 16 2007 at 11:10
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BaldFriede Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261	Posted: July 16 2007 at 11:03
	Peart is way overated, in my opinion. His playing lacks originality. He is a fast man, sure, but lacks ideas. His fill-ins are very ordinary. He is in my opinion too tight-arsed to be a really good drummer (which is proven by the fact that he has been playing the same solo over and over again for years. I wouldn't even play the same solo twice).
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Firefly Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 29 2007 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 384	Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:56
	Christian Vander anyone? I think Morgan Ågren is my favourite drummer of all time.

E-Dub Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910	Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:39
	Peart; but, Harrison is quickly gaining ground. E


proghairfunk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: August 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 99	Posted: July 16 2007 at 10:09
	The most important, and probably the best (though as always, both facts are debatable) in my mind is Bill Bruford. Yes. King Crimson. Need I say more? And the display of talent on heart of the sunrise and long distance runaround prove his talent.

BaldFriede Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261	Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:51
	Other, of course. The man in my signature pic. it shows him playing with Brand X on a Japan tour of theirs (in 1999, if I remember right). The drum kit he uses here used to belong to Ginger Baker, by the way. Edited by BaldFriede - July 16 2007 at 09:54
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Dalezilla Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: July 28 2005 Status: Offline Points: 5113	Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:47
	Gavin Harrison.

kameelracer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: May 10 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5	Posted: July 16 2007 at 09:46
	Who do you think is the best or the most important progressive drummer? You can vote here. I'll start... Neil Peart I think he's simply the best! He's really amazing!