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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: December 22 2006 at 23:58 |
 ResidentAlien wrote:
Haha. This topic is just a testament to the narrow-minded, near-sightedness of most people today. Even if you don't like Bush, it's hard, in context of 230 years, to say he's the worst president ever. That's an absurd statement in fact. Clinton drove the economy to the ground, Nixon was a shameless crook, Johnson lost Vietnam, etc, et al. And of course people could name positive things for all those people as well. Bush has certainly done a lot of good, I agree with him on many issues... he's also fowled up. Worst ever? No way. Best ever? No way. |
As we say in Perú: "Todo tiempo pasado fue mejor" (We all believe the past was better).
Older people have bad memory, probably they remember they had work when Nixon was President or were promoted when Clinton was in the White House),
On the other hand younger people only know the latest President, that's why living corpses when burn, wait a couple of years and come back again to politics, confident in the lack of historic perspective of the elder and the ignorance in a majority of the young ones.
Iván
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ResidentAlien
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 23:48 |
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Haha. This topic is just a testament to the narrow-minded, near-sightedness of most people today. Even if you don't like Bush, it's hard, in context of 230 years, to say he's the worst president ever. That's an absurd statement in fact. Clinton drove the economy to the ground, Nixon was a shameless crook, Johnson lost Vietnam, etc, et al. And of course people could name positive things for all those people as well. Bush has certainly done a lot of good, I agree with him on many issues... he's also fowled up. Worst ever? No way. Best ever? No way.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 23:44 |
tuxon wrote:
same here regarding JFK, but his wrongs have been dealt with, and no bad has come from it over time.
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No, still one to solve....Fidel Castro.
Kennedy created a monster from an insignificant dicatator who would had probably lost the support even from USSR after his first crimes, imprisonment of his ex-partners but most surely after Castro would had stopped being front page.
From that moment USSR couldn't stop supporting Castro (Hey, it was a great propaganda for their system, a poor little Banana Republic surviving against the Imperialist Giant) while USA kept placing embargos against Cuba (USA couldn't accept the preassure of USSR and give another step back after the embarrassment of Bahia de Cochinos).
But as always the poor people of the country were made a triple sandwich between USSR, Castro and the Western countries.
Drew wrote:
In all Honesty- I dont care- I get tired of people on this site bashing the USA. |
Hey Drew, having a bad President is not always fault of the people in the country, much less in USA where you have to choose one out of two.
If USA had their Kennedy or Nixon:
UK had Maggy  Chile had Pinochet
Argentina had Videla
Perú had Fujimori, Velazco, Alan García (He's back again), etc etc etc 
Iván
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tuxon
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 16:10 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I'm with Kennedy, his family used everybody to reach the office, even illegal connections, he started Vietnam (While Nixon stopped Vietnam, a paradox), the Bay of Pigs was a stupid movement, but if he was already in it, giving a step back was a sign of weaknes, his personal behaviour is at least controversial due to his almost public sexual affaires (Happy Birthday Mister President  ).
His personal charisma saved him from chaos.
My opinion of course.
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same here regarding JFK, but his wrongs have been dealt with, and no bad has come from it over time.
GWB on the other hand is doing more damage than can be repared within the next 10 years or so  .
still love Americans though, just wish their Presidents were more like me, and just had a cookie when things go wrong instead of marching out to war 
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Drew
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 16:01 |
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In all Honesty- I dont care- I get tired of people on this site bashing the USA.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:56 |
I'm with Kennedy, his family used everybody to reach the office, even illegal connections, he started Vietnam (While Nixon stopped Vietnam, a paradox), the Bay of Pigs was a stupid movement, but if he was already in it, giving a step back was a sign of weaknes, his personal behaviour is at least controversial due to his almost public sexual affaires (Happy Birthday Mister President ).
His personal charisma saved him from chaos.
My opinion of course.
Iván
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:41 |
Not JFK at all. Great idealist and not too bad before he was cut down.
Did Ford actually do anything as president? 
I don't like Reagan's untra-socially-conservative politics, but he didn't do too terribly from what I've heard.
I'd say ait's between Nixon and GW Bush. Both are stubborn crooks. But Bush managed to get us into a position where most of the world looks down on the US, something which Nixon managed to not do somehow, so I'm going for our Supreme Fool of A President, George W. Bush.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:35 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
people tend to forget Andrew Jackson, who essentially carried out government-sponsored genocide agains the native americans...GWB may be dumb, but at least he's not systematically wiping out any races of people
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But the topic creator is talking about Presidents in the last 40 years Chris.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:34 |
progadicto wrote:
Just curious... specificly about the opinion of wrong-called American fellows... THIS IS A NOT-HJATE POLL Just your opinion (with bases) about this historic guys...Best regards and please keep the harmony...
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You might not intend it to be a hate poll but it will turn into one.
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Philéas
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:25 |
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Please be more constructive. I didn't choose that option because I'm a
Republican (I'm Swedish; I couldn't be, and I don't like them anyway),
but I fail to see the point with this poll.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 06:42 |
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people tend to forget Andrew Jackson, who essentially carried out government-sponsored genocide agains the native americans...
GWB may be dumb, but at least he's not systematically wiping out any races of people
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 04:10 |
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I'd say Johnson is probably the worst (vietnam) and Reagan the best (ending the cold war, reaganomics etc)
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 02:01 |
I don't understand your last two options, I see nothing wrong with a poll like this and I'm a republican 
Both democratic and republicans are listed so why does that matter at all as to how we view this poll?
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progadicto
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 01:47 |
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Just curious... specificly about the opinion of wrong-called American fellows... THIS IS A NOT-HJATE POLL Just your opinion (with bases) about this historic guys...
Best regards and please keep the harmony...
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