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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:49

How is my rating 'objectively wrong'?

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:48

I really don't like ratings like that one ... they are objectively wrong. Unfortunately there's nothing we can do about them ... so I think it's best to ignore them.

On my website I developed a smart way to handle them ... their impact on the average is dampened as long as they're only a very small minority. Smile

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:48

Man Overboard wrote:

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Read my review of Paradox Hotel and tell me what you all think.

That was completely uncalled for. The only one-star review you've ever written, and you've not written any two-stars, either. Your review is trolling, and you should be suitably reprimanded.

How is it trolling? I wrote 5 paragraphs to back up my rating.

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:38

The Wizard wrote:

Read my review of Paradox Hotel and tell me what you all think.

That was completely uncalled for. The only one-star review you've ever written, and you've not written any two-stars, either. Your review is trolling, and you should be suitably reprimanded.

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:37

Or kitty cats.

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:36

Lack of marillion.

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:31

Whatever, to me it sounds great.

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:26

No, I wouldn't be. I specifically said the problem is not that it sounds like 70's prog. It's the very music itself that is poor.

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:23

That wasn't fair IMO, it's an excellent 4 star album of very intelligently composed music. It might not be that original, but it's very enjoyable quality symphonic prog. If it was made in 73, you'd all be raving about how amazing it is.

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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:20

Read my review of Paradox Hotel and tell me what you all think.

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Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:49

i don't know why I don't like them but having given them a chance, I just don't!

Ironically, I think that the F.K. members in The Tangent make a very positive contribution.

Perhaps it's Roine Stolt I don't like because The Tangent definitely sound infinitely better now he's gone.

However, Flower Kings is still better than most of the drivel on TV and mainstream radio.

There's an angel standing in the sun ...

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Posted: October 27 2006 at 05:11

I recall being unable to get into The Flower Kings because of Stolt's voice. I found it to be nasally and derivative of David Bowie. Due to the prodding of a friend of mine, I invested in my first Flower Kings disc (The Rainmaker). I liked it, and slowly started to buy discs that I would find at my local store or Half.com. Well, what do ya know? About 3 years later I ended up buying all of their stuff, I've actually come to appreciate Stolt's voice, and TFK's have become one of my favorite bands.

For me, they took a bit, but they caught on. That's happened with bands like Riverside and King Crimson (although, I find their appeal to be waivering just a bit).

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Edited by E-Dub - October 27 2006 at 05:11

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Posted: October 27 2006 at 04:07

richardh wrote:

..but you might get the RSPCA onto you

btw originality and musical brilliance are not mutually exclusive.

Lets say you have one peice of music that is brilliantly played but derivative of Yes and another which is original and also briliantly played.What would you choose? I've already got all the classic Yes releases.I now want something different thanks.Originality does count IMO.

I agree. In fact, originality is underated these days. Sometimes it's all we have.

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Posted: October 27 2006 at 02:32

..but you might get the RSPCA onto you

btw originality and musical brilliance are not mutually exclusive.

Edited by richardh - October 27 2006 at 02:33

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Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:20

stonebeard wrote:

Once again....

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.

Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all.

I'm pretty sure I just fell in love with you.

I'm going to use that quote as my signiture, if that's alright with you. (the first time I've changed my signiture ever here)

Edited by BePinkTheater - October 26 2006 at 22:22

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:04

stonebeard wrote:

Cygnus X-2 wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

Cygnus X-2 wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

Once again....

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.

Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all.

The ever popular Mike Patton defense? Wink

I find it works well in an increasing number of situations.

So it seems to be nowadays. Could it have proved OJ's innocence? Well, that's another story. Geek

No, but the Chewbacca defense could have.

The Chewbacca defense could get anyone out of anything. Wink

But enough of this, we're getting way off topic here. Geek

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Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:02

Cygnus X-2 wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

Cygnus X-2 wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

Once again....

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.

Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all.

The ever popular Mike Patton defense? Wink

I find it works well in an increasing number of situations.

So it seems to be nowadays. Could it have proved OJ's innocence? Well, that's another story. Geek

No, but the Chewbacca defense could have.

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Posted: October 26 2006 at 20:57

stonebeard wrote:

Cygnus X-2 wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

Once again....

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.

Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all.

The ever popular Mike Patton defense? Wink

I find it works well in an increasing number of situations.

So it seems to be nowadays. Could it have proved OJ's innocence? Well, that's another story. Geek

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Posted: October 26 2006 at 20:56

Cygnus X-2 wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

Once again....

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.

Don't bring originality into any discussion ever. It doesn't mean anything at all.

The ever popular Mike Patton defense? Wink

I find it works well in an increasing number of situations.

My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want!