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Not to be mean but a lot of so called prog isn't exactly progressive. A case in point would be neo-prog. Most (if not all of it) does not push boundaries or do anything truly progressive. It is mostly a rehash of older prog with a more contemporary (and even stripped down) element. Rush in the 70s and 80s weren't really doing anything that hadn't been done before. They were influenced by KC, Yes and Genesis but with a heavier element. So yeah Rush were prog but were they progressive in the literal sense of the word? Not so much imo.
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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

This looks like typical troll type behaviour - a newly registered account makes one provocative post to get everyone arguing, only for the OP never to return to it.

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This looks like typical troll type behaviour - a newly registered account makes one provocative post to get everyone arguing, only for the OP never to return to it.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I think Rush is progressive as the sound changed throughout the career, ...........

I think, really many progressive artists with a definition like this. Big smile
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Suspicious topic and account, but... I think Rush is progressive as the sound changed throughout the career, and I would describe albums by Rush as Progressive Rock -- some more than others. I wouldn't call the debut Progressive Rock, but I would call Hemispheres (an album I have adored) Progressive Rock for shizz.
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In his article from 2002 about Rush, entitled ""Let Them All Make Their Own Music": Idividualism, Rush, and the Progressive / Hard Rock Alloy, 1976-77", musicologist Durrell S. Bowman writes that "On the whole, Rush's music is best termed "progressive hard rock"." *
As I see it, Rush are something like being on the borderline between progressive Hard Rock and Progressive Rock, but more on the Prog side.

( * as published in the book Progressive Rock Reconsidered (2002, p. 189) edited by Kevin Holm-Hudson)




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Originally posted by hrotod hrotod wrote:

Genesis was a magnificent symphonic prog band and does not serve as a measuring unit for determining a level of progressiveness of a musical ensemble within the genre of prog.
 
Interesting idea using a Genesis as a unit of measure for proginess. For example, Pawn Hearts might have a proginess of 1.5 Genesises, whereas Moving Pictures might have a proginess of only 0.9 Genesises. Tongue
 
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Is this even in question? Note that the TO didn't bother to set a question mark, let alone any other relevant input.
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Is this even in question? Note that the TO didn't bother to set a question mark, let alone any other relevant input.
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by hrotod hrotod wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by hrotod hrotod wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Sure they are. Rush have probably recorded more Progressive Rock albums/material in total than Genesis.
Isn't it ridiculous to compare the progressiveness of such two legendary bands in that sense? Rush and Genesis were both proggy in their own unique ways, in different times and in different circumstances (Genesis was at their most progressive era in the early 70s as part of the genuine progressive rock wave).
I didn't compare their progressiveness, just the quantity of relevant material.
Genesis was a magnificent symphonic prog band and does not serve as a measuring unit for determining a level of progressiveness of a musical ensemble within the genre of prog.

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or rather a Svetty clone. Ermm
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Originally posted by hrotod hrotod wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by hrotod hrotod wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Sure they are. Rush have probably recorded more Progressive Rock albums/material in total than Genesis.
Isn't it ridiculous to compare the progressiveness of such two legendary bands in that sense? Rush and Genesis were both proggy in their own unique ways, in different times and in different circumstances (Genesis was at their most progressive era in the early 70s as part of the genuine progressive rock wave).
I didn't compare their progressiveness, just the quantity of relevant material.
Genesis was a magnificent symphonic prog band and does not serve as a measuring unit for determining a level of progressiveness of a musical ensemble within the genre of prog.

hmm... I think we might have another Pedro on our hands... Ermm
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Originally posted by jeeglefun jeeglefun wrote:

Is Rush progressive 

Personally, I'd say they were progressive between Fly By Night and Permanent Waves (you might stretch this to Moving Pictures). Others may have a different view, which I'd respect.
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Originally posted by hrotod hrotod wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Sure they are. Rush have probably recorded more Progressive Rock albums/material in total than Genesis.
Isn't it ridiculous to compare the progressiveness of such two legendary bands in that sense? Rush and Genesis were both proggy in their own unique ways, in different times and in different circumstances (Genesis was at their most progressive era in the early 70s as part of the genuine progressive rock wave).
I didn't compare their progressiveness, just the quantity of relevant material.
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There's a huge thread about this still active (and i bet this was discussed to death in the past)
I wonder how much off-topic-ness is in that thread though. LOL



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According to the documentary series "Metal Evolution" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Evolution), Episode 11 - "Progressive Metal", Rush were pretty much at the start of Progressive Metal (which is a much broader subgenre in the documentary series than in Prog Archives).
 
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Sure they are. Rush have probably recorded more Progressive Rock albums/material in total than Genesis.
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