PA the only site to recognize J-R Fusion as Prog?

cstack3 wrote: I don't care what other sites say, I really enjoy the intelligence and banter among everyone on PA!!  I've learned a great deal, have been introduced to many bands I never would have found on my own, and feel as though I've contributed.  The Prog Music journey, for musicians (I'm one), fans and family, is a very personal experience involving discovery, excitement and, yes, a bit of risk on occasion.   I like being here, where the boundaries can be pushed and definitions have some "give."  "Yes, Virginia, Jazz-Rock Fusion is Prog."

Edited by David_D - September 20 2024 at 05:16

^ thanks for the kind words, good buddy!

Look! No script on my phone 🎉🎉🎉

Personally as genres I have no interest in J-R Fusion or PR/MR and all the metal genres but they are here. So be it.

I frankly don't know and I don't care

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Edited by siLLy puPPy - September 19 2024 at 08:23

richardh wrote: ''Prog rock'' as a term has become much more broader that it used to be in the 70's. Then ELP, Yes, Genesis and Tull were the full on prog bands that could be clearly differentiated. Floyd were not widely regarded as prog and people would have laughed at the suggestion that Supertramp were prog. The psyche bands and J/R fusion bands were their own thing. The 2 most valid categories of prog to me looking at a historical basis are Symphonic prog and Neo Prog. The rest is a mixture of experimental and metal while J/R is largely jazz based (duh!) and has a totally different attitude to me not caring for classical forms of music on which prog is based. The fact it's included as 'prog' doesn't bother me although I am still very puzzled that Steely Dan are put in this category next to RTF and Mahavishnu. And then there is post rock whatever that is

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ RYM is not the only music website with a more precise tagging system than PA ... pretty much all major prog websites are more precise, since they assign genres (at least) on the release level. Back in 2009 I debated this with M@x to no avail, one of the reasons why I left PA back then (and founded PF/AP) was this limitation. I agree that RYM gets it right (or at least right enough) for most major releases, but the user base is biased towards experimental/avant/black metal/hip-hop/experimental  stuff. Of course this doesn't always necessarily cause problems, since by and large users stay away from music they do not like nor care about. I'm just saying that the large user base has both advantages and disadvantages. IMHO a much smaller user base could be just as good (or even better) at separating the awesome from the mediocre (and putting it in reasonable genre "buckets"), given the appropriate tools (a flexible genre system).

^ To tie this back to the topic, given PA's crude genre system, JR-F needs to be included in order to be able to list not only essential prog artists like Mahavishnu Orchestra, but also "fringe" prog artists like Miles Davis. As a consequence, this leads to peculiar results, such as Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (a more or less pure Jazz release) being listed as the #1 Jazz-Rock/Fusion release.

^ RYM can sometimes be perceived as the ultimate authority on all things music simply because they have so many users - but quantity does not necessarily imply quality. It depends on who these users are, and what their background is. Of course the more users participate in rating and tagging, the better, generally speaking, the result will be. But if most of these users are teenagers, the result may never be accurate, regardless of quantity.