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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Apart from lies and bullsh*t, there is also the option that many things look genuinely different from different angles or with a different back story and different experiences in mind. Different people may be convinced by even contradictory "facts" because of that.

Of course manipulation and lies do happen. But in many controversies it also pays off to try our best to understand the position from which the other person is coming, and how they come to the convictions they have, even if we don't agree with them. Disagreeing with arguments still respecting the point of view the other person has is more constructive than accusing them of lying or bullsh*tting.

 

True.  What would help?  Critical thinking, logic, statistics, and the scientific method need to be taught, beginning in grammar school and continuing through each layer of the University system.   A greater percentage of the masses could see through the lies.  It's not going to happen.  Dumb downed populations are easy to confuse, fool, and control. Governments don't want a critical-thinking population.  The government likes a population that thinks they are intelligent because they have a college degree.  

Many people confuse a college education with the ability to utilize critical thinking skills.  I know plumbers and electricians who demonstrate better critical thinking skills than college-educated post-graduates. 


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Apart from lies and bullsh*t, there is also the option that many things look genuinely different from different angles or with a different back story and different experiences in mind. Different people may be convinced by even contradictory "facts" because of that.

Of course manipulation and lies do happen. But in many controversies it also pays off to try our best to understand the position from which the other person is coming, and how they come to the convictions they have, even if we don't agree with them. Disagreeing with arguments still respecting the point of view the other person has is more constructive than accusing them of lying or bullsh*tting.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It is almost impossible to KNOW you're right about any of the big narratives of our time. For each of them there are a number of "counter-narratives", and for each of the competing narratives there are many sources to quote, many debunkings, many confirmations, each of which have their own sets of confirmations or debunkings. A bottomless rabbit hole ...



Hi,

There are many ways to know ... but one would be looking at the incorrect place to find an answer, since the spiritual ones that know don't need the internet or your opinion to know what they know and do.

The problem arises even more, when you are not centered enough to know anything, and anything is better than nothing! And this is what the media has become, a nice gimme from the memememe generation!
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^ It's not only lies, but also bullsh*t. Turns out there is a difference, and bullsh*t may be worse ...
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Most of the news is propaganda. Lies by omission are lies. Truth out of context is a lie.  There are a thousand ways to lie and the media uses all of them.  I don't believe anything the media reports unless they can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.  With each passing day, more people distrust the media.  Fifty percent of Americans believe the media is purposely attempting to mislead them. 

https://fortune.com/2023/02/15/trust-in-media-low-misinform-mislead-biased-republicans-democrats-poll-gallup/


I don't trust the article I posted, because it's media.  That said, my husband just purchased Haken tickets...and that's the truth.Wink


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Unfortunately the mainstream media are not automatically vindicated just because a few crackpot conspiracy theorists are shown to be wrong. "The comfort of opinion" indeed ...
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The 'fake news' thing has almost come full circle and people are beginning to watch PBS, BBC and CNN again because the obsessive morons of the 'real news' have started losing all credibility in their unsubstantiated rantings and extremist entertainment.   Last time I saw Joe Rogan he was sitting back in a chair smoking a cigar and laughing about how Trump's property values were undervalued.   Way to go, Joe.
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It is almost impossible to KNOW you're right about any of the big narratives of our time. For each of them there are a number of "counter-narratives", and for each of the competing narratives there are many sources to quote, many debunkings, many confirmations, each of which have their own sets of confirmations or debunkings. A bottomless rabbit hole ...
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Please be careful out there. There is a lot of propaganda and disinformation floating around. Please use nuance and apply media literacy whenever you read something. Nothing can be trusted or taken face value anymore...

I may make a longer post tomorrow. idk.
idk what to do anymore, or what to say...
i am disappointed...

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