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I did pick, yesterday Joe Jackson - Fool
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There is so much to Page One, so this is where I'm taking a break to post thus far, up through JD's reconsidered entries.
Cristi: UFO
“Devils in the Detail” Here we have a hybrid hard rocker/metal rocker from
UFO. Classic construction for this type
of song and a strong male vocalist.
Clean leads and heavy hitting all through. Well-crafted for hitmaking, this one, in it’s
genre. Simple Minds “The Signal and the
Noise” Begins with synths and a steady
beat, this one is more poetic, lyrically than the previous selection, but also
a more complex piece of music. Jim
Kerr’s voice has a roughness to it that wasn’t present in his earlier forays,
but it is still very compelling. It is
recognizably Simple Minds, yet not sounding quite so 80’s. A band I enjoyed in the 80’s, I was unaware
of this release. Love the washy guitars,
too. It retains that kind of dark edge
that made me a fan of the band. Placebo
“Loud Like Love” This one starts with slightly
washy guitar, a sound I enjoy, as noted earlier. This one is much more upbeat than the
previous selection, with a sense of optimism.
Clear vocals with a vocalist who is quite distinct. Reminds me a bit of Michael Stipe when he
lost the mumble, but with more tremolo in his voice. This one might stick with me, first time I’ve
heard this band. Depeche Mode “Peace” This begins with some pulsating electronic
keys and a little less monotone-ish singing than I associate with them. I like what I’m hearing (another band I
appreciated from it’s era), here, really like how he opens up at the “just look
at me,” verses, which vary a bit each time.
This one is also more optimistic than I generally think of the band as
being. A-ha “Living At the End of the
World” Another one from a-ha, who I have
to say I really enjoy much more than I would have thought from their smash hit,
which did suffer from over-exposure, at least for me. A lovely ballad-type song with pretty orchestration
and of course the fabulous singer at the fore.
A song of depth and sadness, despite the feeling of elation in it. Lewian: Comsat Angels “Psychedelic Dungeon” Looking forward to this one, with the name. Definitely a psychedelic, raga-like beginning. This one has an almost garage-y edge to it, like Love when they were moving from their garage roots into psychedelia. I like the whole feel to this, it’s a more “traditional,” song than I’m used to hearing from you, or am I just getting more used to your picks? Either way, yes. Shadowyzard: Ajda Pekkan “Ben Yanmisim” All the Turkish stuff you post is so different than what I think of as Turkish music, obviously this is modern pop, but with a Turkish twist. This one has a female singer, I find the combination of styles very intriguing, as you can hear the vestiges of the more traditional Turkish style. I like this one. Poetic Assassin “Inverti In Darkness” Now this one, I might have voted for, in the April Fool’s poll. The guy’s deadpan delivery is quite funny to me, although a bit less time would have made the point. JD: Since you stated you were changing your selections on better understanding of the poll theme, I will skip your first entries. Logan: David Bowie “Dollar Days” This of course, is very moving, especially given the circumstances of the recording. Eloquently sung, beautiful production, understated orchestration. The double meaning of the “dying to,” and “dying too,” lyrics are just the kind of thing that speaks deeply to me. Lovely sax solo as well. Song ends with a drumbeat (heartbeat), fading out. I actually haven’t heard the recording, even though it was much mentioned at the time, so thank you for making me stop and take a listen. Hiram: Queen “Innuendo” Here we have the irrepressible Freddy Mercury and his ace bandmates with a metally/prog/rock anthem. Nice change of pace about halfway in where they slow it down and then trasition into a flamenco burst of guitars and handclaps, becoming operatic in tone and then back to the full on electric band. The Fall “Mountain Energei” Drums and bass lead in to a punkish Velvet Underground sort of feel all around. This song appears to have many levels of ways you could perceive the lyrics, some literal and pop culture references are in it, along with plenty of disdain for society. Live version. Interesting 2 mic technique, don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone use two at once, although I have seen people play 2 recorders at once, and even with their nose, lol (not laughing at the band here). There is a sense of detachment, even as the intensity builds in the piece, as there is with this sort of band. I prophesy disaster: Van der Graaf Generator “Mr Sands” Starting off with wiggly vocals and keyboards, drums, all come in stronger as the wiggly vocals subside. Snappy sort of rhythm and sing-songy vocals, not quite monotone, but close. The rhythms shift about quite a bit, from more rapid to slower and sort of swinging along, ebbs and flows along in waves and decreases and intensities. Another from VDGG with “Manuelle” This one comes in with guitar meanderings (maybe some sax or brassy keys?) and cymbal crashes, more interesting to my ear, for the start than the first one. Some strong organ hits come in with a steadier beat and now it definitely sounds like sax joining in there, with the guitar and keyboards. We enter a more funky realm with sax and drums to the fore about halfway in, accompanied with some wailing guitar. The general trend continues with the sax becoming more doubled in sound, along with odd organ chords thrown in here and there. Fuzzy lead guitar comes to the fore with the organ towards the end. And back to sax and blips on guitar and organ, the sax gets the final say at the end. JD: Peter Gabriel “No Way Out” Love Peter Gabriel, this is a recording I never really heard, however. Wangly guitar starts the piece and steady drumbeats with some keyboard/organ hits. His beautifully expressive voice describes a scene of potential death of someone he knows. Ends with plenty of crashy percussion and keyboards. Very moving, especially if you’ve attended the passing of a person. This is just fantastic, I will probably have to get this recording. Thank you! King Crimson “Elektrik” Another band that I’ve loved through every incarnation. Begins with keys/flutes then crashes into wriggly guitar intermingled with blats of other guitar. Some spooky kind of voices come in here and there, buried way way back. Builds wonderfully in intensity with violin-y effects on guitar. Then the patterns shift and there is a heavier sound overall. The sonic assault continues with a reprise of the original quiet keys/flutes passage. Can’t vote for it, since I know it, but dang, are they ever spectacular. PFM “Dracula Opera Rock -07- Ho Mangiato Gli Uccelli” Starts with some pretty ominous plinks and orchestral hits and discordant keys, jumpy organ and counterpoint effected guitar. Strident voiced male vocalist, not sure of lyrics, because of language. I did once have a PFM LP, long ago when so much of this was being imported to the US, back in the 70’s, this was not that, obviously. This does sound much like how I remember them. Definite operatic/cinematic feel to this, as the title suggest. Ends as ominously as it begins. Joe Jackson “Fool” Now I am late to the Joe Jackson party, but was turned on to “Heaven and Hell,” which I just love. This one begins with repeating guitar notes, drums Joe singing in a staccato way. Some sitar-guitar here, too? Or could be just an effect. I have always liked the idea of The Fool who can speak truth to power. He sings a kind of childhood singsong tune as one of the repeated choruses. I picture a demented royal court kind of scene to this. Fantastic playing, instrumentally. Robert Plant “Calling To You” Starts with sparkly guitars and then wastes no time in hitting hard with full band kicking in, Robert Plant, another famously emotive singer, comes in strong with lots of embellishments added to his voice. Lots of heavy orchestration to this piece, very oriental in feel, with shivery violin sounds (but may be guitar effects, not sure), as the piece comes to a fade. Steve Hackett “Omega Metallicus” Bass note then some whangy guitar sounds, with drums and a sort of Woody Woodpecker laugh, as more “straight,” guitar comes blazing in. This reminds me more of a jam sort of thing going on, definitely some ace guitar showmanship, with lots of fooling about and whing-whangs, but not as structured as I expect from Hackett. (sorry about the shift in formatting, happens sometimes here). |
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I prophesy disaster Van der Graaf Generator - "Mr Sands" starts with some rather weird oohs, then transforms into a groove where every second bar is in 7 and 5 respectively. More odd time signatures follow, and there's a heavy use of organ, so overall the track says archetypical prog to me. Composition-wise I like the chord changes a lot, as well as the often daring melody lines, but it's not a kind of music that really blows me away as unusual. Except perhaps the track is remarkably short for this type of music. "Manuelle" is a bit longer. It starts with some odd guitar orchestration, and then the drumbeat sets in. There are some sound effects along the way. Later comes a sort of Pink Floyd'ish sequence that leads my thoughts to the part of "Echoes" that comes directly after the second verse. There's also a sax solo. As a whole it's a kind of organized chaos. Unsure of what to think at the moment. JD Peter Gabriel - "No Way Out" has an interesting rhythmic pattern. I think I will have to listen to this some more times. King Crimson - "Elektrik" starts (and ends) with what could have been by some 20the Century classical composer. Then it becomes more typically crimson'ish with Robert Fripp's trademark guitar playing. There's some electronic beats too. After 6:00 it gets pretty heavy. There are plenty of advanced chord changes and unusual time signatures. PFM: "Ho Mangiato Gli Ucelli" is in the more pompous department with among other things a heavy drum sound. It's a bit too much for my taste. Joe Jackson - "Fool" has a dancehall beat, and there is also som rap. There are also some oriental sounds, and later some latin piano. Not really my taste, unfortunately. But kudos to Joe Jackson for mentioning Polly and Ester (polyester) from my avatar Robert Plant - "Calling to You" also has - not surprisingly - quite a heavy sound. To be honest I am not so much of a Led Zeppelin fan, but I like the song. At times it reminds me a bit of "When the Levee Breaks". Steve Hackett - "Omega Metallicus" has a very 90's sounding beat and a funky bass sound. Around 2:50 there's a break with some guitar orchestration. Unsure of what to think of it overall, but I like the way the beat sneaks in again in the final minute.
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I dedicate this poll to the three singers-songwriters I have followed since I was a teenager (Springsteen) or since I was twenty-five (Francesco Guccini and Fabrizio De Andrè). The other one I should mention is Peter Hammill, who I leave out, however. 1) The first song IF I WAS THE PRIEST is taken from Bruce Springsteen's latest album (Letter to you, 2020) and is indicative of his songwriting with Catholic ancestry. Springsteen sang it, guitar and vocals, along with other songs, at his 1972 audition in front of Columbia's talent scout John Hammond (the same who discovered Dylan). Springsteen never released it, but it ran as a pirate song on many studio or live bootlegs. Finally last year he released it in a folk-rock version with the E Street Band. I like it very much. Here it is. 1*) With Springsteen I am undecided: Better "If A Was A Priest" (which is a simple rock ballad) or better this melodic song of symphonic folk genre, which has its best part in the instrumental, orchestral pieces, worthy of John Williams' film music? 2) DE ANDRE' & MINA: "La CANZONE DI MARINELLA" (Marinella's song) is one of the first songs written by Fabrizio De André, at the end of the Sixties. At the time, Mina, the greatest Italian interpreter of melodic and pop music, she had led the song to success. Over the years De Andrè regained possession of that song and at the end of his career he made a completely different version, jazzed, singing it together with Mina. It looks like a masterpiece to me. The song is not recent because it was published in 1997 but I chose it because, unfortunately, De Andrè died in 1999. This, about Marinella, is the true story That slipped into the river in the spring But the wind that saw her so beautiful From the river he carried her over a star Alone without the memory of a pain You lived without the dream of a love But a king without a crown and without an escort He knocked three times a day on your door His hat is white as the moon Like red love his cloak You followed him for no reason Like a boy follows the kite And it was sunny and you had beautiful eyes He kissed your lips and hair There was a moon and your eyes were tired He placed his hands on your hips They were kisses and they were smiles Then it was only the cornflowers Which they saw with the eyes of the stars Squeeze in the wind and kiss your skin They then say that while you were returning In the river, who knows how, you slipped And he who didn't want to believe you dead He knocked another hundred years on your door This is your song, Marinella That you flew to the sky on a star And like all the most beautiful things You lived only one day, like roses And like all the most beautiful things You lived only one day, like the rose. 3) MAURO PAGANI & GUCCINI: CHRISTAMS AT PAVANA. Francesco Guccini (81 years old), who before being a singer songwriter is a writer, has now retired from the music scene to devote himself solely to writing. But his colleagues always try to involve him in some project and so Mauro Pagani (former singer and multi-instrumentalist of PFM) managed to convince him to write the lyrics and sing a song in the dialect of Guccini's hometown (Pavana). And so here's to you the song, musically written and arranged by Mauro Pagani with the ethnic-folk style with which he had also arranged the latest De André albums. Sometimes I remember those Christmases when I was a child: the agitation of the holidays, of the suitcase, the languor from the street to the station on foot, but then we walked, for God's sake and my father in front with the luggage and my mother in the back. "Modena, Modena station" And a cold, Maremma dog, with short breeches, and a fog that soaked you The heart, and it melted you to open when from above the hill the apparition of the Madonna on San Lucca and he told you that you had arrived in Bologna. "Pa, why us we don't have a house in Bologna?" "Eh! If only we could buy it!" And then the west square, faces and chatter with voices that were already taking me abruptly to my mountains with the train he sweated steam and when infrequently left the other station and he went into the gallery smoke seeped into the wagon and filled the lungs and if you blew your nose, mucus and coal came out. And snow, lots of snow, white and fine. And snow, lots of snow up to Venturina. Beyond the river there was The mountain of my Pavana, his magic and my strength and my imagination Off the train, Aunt Rina, she who was waiting for us, she had gone to buy Christmas Eve eel Aunt Rina used to say: "away, away, how dark it is!" at Christmas the night comes early And away on the road, a lot, there is still more to do on foot, but it was all walking hat road made so many times Between two mountains of snow. And everyone was in the house, Grandma Mabilia, Uncle Rico, Grandpa Pietro, and Aunt Teresa, with a floor of chestnut boards and the sacks piled up there beside the walls and the water that flowed from the basin to run the mill, to chop chestnuts, fodder, wheat and maize. What a great taste of good! It was, it was my home, I was back in my house, to my river, my mountains, my world and Modena, and her tower, had remained a dream, only a bad dream, that the Limentra with the middle of winter. Edited by jamesbaldwin - April 20 2021 at 15:38 |
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Cristi UFO - Devils in the Detail (2015): I knew this band only by name. Despite being from 2015, the song sounds a lot older (70's-80's), but I guess this is the era they formed. There is lots of lead guitar and heavy riffs, counterpointed by a (for the genre) relatviely restrained vocal. Straight forward hard rock. Simple Minds - The Signal and the Noise (2018) is gloomy electro. It's hard for me to judge that kind of music which sadly does little for me. Depeche Mode - Peace (2009) is in a similar style, but more intriguing to me with the rather analogue pling plong sounds and a bit more happening harmonically. It's also more melodic. Still very cold. Placebo - Loud Like Love (2013) is more in the area of indie rock which - interestingly enough - is not a genre I hear much around here. Personally I don't really think the composition goes anywhere. It's very distanced, and there's not much to invite me into this universe. Except perhaps towards the end. A-ha - Living at the End of the World (2015) is in a much more warm and welcoming mood. The melody is perhaps a bit too grandiose for my taste, also with the strings that come in later. Lewian (part 1) The Comsat Angels - Psychedelic Dungeon (1995). Never heard of this band. It has quite a big sound with very dominating drums. The mood is rather dark and hypnotic. At the moment I am unsure of what to think of it - will probably have the hear it again - but there's obviously some intensity in it. Shadowyzard (part 1) Ajda Pekkan - Ben Yanmışım is in a very pop'ish mood; also on the visual side as there a lot of emphasis on show and dancing in the clip. As such I have some distance towards it. I do like her singing voice, and the melody isn't bad. It's just too pop'ish for my taste overall. The other clip I really enjoyed, though not necessarily for the right reasons. Let's just say his vocal performance is different... At times his vocal phrasings remind me of David Byrne, but I don't know if it's on purpose. Logan David Bowie - Dollar Days (2016). Normally I don't vote for music I already know, so it probably won't be a contender. But it's a very nice composition, and a very sad one. The album makes a perfect final statement from the master after years of albums of very mixed quality (a bit like Queen's Innuendo btw.). Hiram .... which funnily enough comes next. Since I also know this one, and it is not a nomination anyway, I will skip it.
The Fall - Mountain Energei (2003) is full of punk vibes, complete with (purposely) off-key singning. It's fascinating music, and it should be a contender for my votes. Edited by The Anders - April 19 2021 at 16:21 |
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If I were going for longtime careers alone, I would certainly pick something from Richard Thompson, particularly one of several off of "Mock Tudor." However, a huge fan over the many, many years.
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I don't mind dated -- a lot of my favourite music has dated (like with many of my exotica and tropica and lounge faves). And yes, there is room for interpretation. |
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Ok, you can put me down for Joe Jackson - Fool please.
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I could see it that way, as well...it's kind of open to interpretation, I think, and note that people did look at it from different angles. Each one of these artists did have several recordings under their belts for a stretch, originally, however, some more than others, I just took a long span from the previous studio recording to the next one. None of them only had one release in their time. All, apparently, were still writing/playing music even if they weren't released at the time of writing. "Songs you love," of course, can be songs that may sound dated to others, or that others may actually loathe. I do love each of these, for very different reasons.
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^ Interesting how different people interpret posts. I wouldn't have thought that the Kaleidoscope track would fit how I took the "later day songs you love from veteran/long career artists" theme, nor would I interpret is as "artists who had a long hiatus between recordings". The band's Greetings from Kartoonistan... (We Ain't Dead Yet) from 1990 or 1991 would come closer. Sounds dated to these ear too, though I still like it. Love the others and the Zeitgeist one (Frank Wyatt) would be my choice (for my reading I think it being the most modern, it works best too).
An artist or band could only release two albums, but sixty years apart, but I wouldn't call that a long a career in a sense since to me that would imply that it hasn't been much of a life-long career (might have kept involved in music, though while not releasing albums....) EDIT: I haven't listened to most of the choices but I loved Cristi's Depeche Mode one, and while that Bauhaus track is not includable, I wanted to mention how much I enjoyed it. I posted another Bauhaus track in a poll before, but I like the one mentioned in this topic considerably more (the In the Flat Fields one I mentioned in a past poll just has some sentimental attachment). Edited by Logan - April 18 2021 at 12:28 |
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This is how I took the prompt, artists who had a long hiatus between recordings. So here we go. I do have a couple of proggish related acts here, and they all differ considerably from one another.
First up is The Kaleidoscope (US) with "Ghost Riders in the Sky," from their When Scopes Collide recording, which came out in 1976, six years after Bernice, released in 1970. Where else can you hear a gravelly voiced guy singing a cowboy song, with saz providing the primary stringed instrumentation? Next is Tom Rapp (Pearls Before Swine legend), with "Running In My Dream," from the 1999 release of Journal of the Plague Year, after a really long dry spell since 1973's Sunforest. There are many hauntingly beautiful tunes on this recording and a really funny dialogue from a live show describing the music business in the 1960's at the end. Lastly, but certainly not leastly (as I like to say), Frank Wyatt and Friends from his wonderful Zeitgeist release of late 2019, many here may remember Happy The Man, Oblivion Sun, and Pedal Giant Animals, a duo effort with Stanley Whittaker. This was in 2006, so quite a few years here between music. But, so gorgeous, and so worth the wait. Here is the first movement from the sweeping "Perelandra Suite," from this recording, "To Venus (Perelandra Mvt. I, Andante)." Edited by Snicolette - April 18 2021 at 12:01 |
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Regardless of where Bowie resides on this site (and I think one could present a fair case for Bowie in Crossover or in the Art Rock sub when we still had that category), I chose one from Blackstar that I would not call Prog. I do consider the album to be progressive (in an experimental art rock way) as a whole, and I do think of the title track as Prog in its way. I wanted to avoid the best known and talked about tracks of his from Blackstar (the title track and "Lazarus" are the ones I have seen being talked about the most). I know many people's other favourite is the final "I Can't Give Everything Away", which I also love, but the other one from that album that I would have considered for this poll is "Girl Loves Me", which I have not noticed attention being given to, but I love especially in the context of the whole album. Some say that the Blackstar album is not cohesive enough, but I like the flow and contrasts and how it draws on different parts of his career stylistically. An excellent album to go out on and it may well be my favourite album of the last decade (course it was voted collab album of the year).
I worried a bit about going for a track from such an iconic and obvious album that is the last, and is highly acclaimed, from a long illustrious career that was made more poignant by the circumstances surrounding it. While this is not rockin', although Morricone could rock, and I thought it better to focus on an actual song rather than an instrumental track, another that I wish to mention is Ennio Morricone's The Hateful Eight soundtrack from 2015, which was his last major original soundtrack and one of his very last period, and I think it's terrific. As to the mention of Art Zoyd, I love Art Zoyd and the different periods of AZ music. Were non-Prog not being discouraged, then I might have thought to add something from 2018's Phase 5. If Prog to the behearer was expected, but not according to PA classification, then I would have hoped to go with Bowie's "Blackstar" track. |
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BOC are in Prog Related, like Queen and Bowie, which makes them a good choice, I think. The song was released in the fall of 2020, so it's very recent indeed.
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Cristi
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nice! three final nominations already |
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I'm also going to nominate just one song, which in this case is truly a shoe-in: |
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Thanks Geo! GE plays fine and is the same, but the OMD one does not play for me... Suppose it's OK (the duration is the same).
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^ thank you!
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There's some blocking in the States with Suitkee's selections.
These play for me. Golden Earring "Flowers in the Mud: Says it's album version at 4:10 playing time. OMD "Ghost Star" 6:18 playing time Nits are okay. Edited by mathman0806 - April 18 2021 at 06:54 |
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Rocking Oldies? I think I will take away the longevity prize with my first suggestion: Golden Earring!They founded in 1961 (!) and called it quits just a couple of weeks ago following the sad news of guitarist and founding member George Kooymans' ALS disease. So this is also a homage to this great Dutch band. They first called themselves The Golden Earrings. For their second album they got rid of the definite article and continued as Golden Earrings and in 1970 they thought that one was enough, so they became Golden Earring (without the "s"). Their last studio album is from 2012 and is called (just because I'm curious how the PA censorship machine will handle this): Tits 'n Ass. And a solid album it is... Golden Earring - Flowers in the Mud Don't know what it is with Dutch bands, but they don't seem to like the definite article... The Nits founded in 1974, and some 15 years into their career they thought that the "The" was too much, so since 1989 they're called Nits. And they're still active. The other connection with Golden Earring is the keyboardist Robert-Jan Stips: he played a couple of years with them in the mid 70s. In an earlier poll I presented you with their 80s hit In The Dutch Mountains. This one is from their 2019 album Knot. Nits - The Electric Pond Another band that I quite like, but I did not really follow them: I picked them up again a couple of years ago. They formed in 1978 and are still active. From their 2017 album The Punishment Of Luxury: Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Ghost Star |
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