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"Remembering the past...." is the key here in your post title, which IMO needs to be appreciated more. It is the past and it is history. I think we all know without the past/history we cannot move forward and or correct injustices. 
Going forward I seriously doubt you will see anymore statues or memorials or such erected of any political, military or religious figures. Maybe in countries like N.Korea, but in most other I doubt it, in that case I am ok with it.
What I don't think is right is removing these statues that for sure have some negative connotations towards civil rights and such because we need these to remind us what and how not to behave. I don't think we can count on school history books and the internet to teach what happened in the past.
The perception just needs to change, in many cases its not about applauding these people but rather looking at them with question and a dark mood, in some cases disgust.
Early history and early growth of countries was not pretty at all, it was dog eat dog in both politics and business and social welfare. I always giggle when I hear people say, "I wish I would have grown up in the 1700 or 1800s.." No you don't!
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I tend to think it's OK to put up a statue if somebody is genuinely esteemed at some point, and to put it down if times change and the general evaluation of that person changes, too. I don't think a statue must appease everyone, but if a too big part of the population for too good reasons thinks this person shouldn't be honoured in this way, then the statue should go - or not even be erected in the first place. Not that complicated really. Just say goodbye to the idea that values are eternal.
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Tricky one really. I suspect there are a number of sports legends and artists who have a less than squeaky clean past.
I guess the question is does the good done by someone outweigh the bad? To be honest I don't know the answer. The recent Baden Powell case impacts me as a Scout Leader and I must admit I wasn't aware he had any dealings with the Nazis but we have to look at the facts and make a judgement from there.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

All around the world, statues of divisive historical figures are being taken down, either by force or through locally made democratic decisions.

Should all future statues and monuments, erected to commemorate characters from the past, be restricted to sports legends and artists (including musicians) and exclude anyone known for their political, military or religious work and influence? Bearing in mind that one persons hero, is another's villain.


Genuine question.


Even that is unlikely to appease all, witness the Margaret Court Arena controversy. 
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All around the world, statues of divisive historical figures are being taken down, either by force or through locally made democratic decisions.

Should all future statues and monuments, erected to commemorate characters from the past, be restricted to sports legends and artists (including musicians) and exclude anyone known for their political, military or religious work and influence? Bearing in mind that one persons hero, is another's villain.


Genuine question.

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