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Posted: August 03 2017 at 13:23 |
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GG's one of the major UK prog bands, though. When was it considered obscene?  | When GG meant Giant Genitalia.
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 13:19 |
I suppose my only knock at ELP are the little 'beer hall' cute songs they included here and there on the early albums after the debut. To me they ruined/interrupted the flow of the longer more prog like tracks and the nice ballads. I never understood the point of that.....imho it would have been better to put them all on an album dedicated to the 'fun' songs so as not to affect the flow of the other albums with themed prog tracks.
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 12:47 |
GG's one of the major UK prog bands, though. When was it considered obscene?
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 10:46 |
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Though my very favourite band is Gentle Giant | Yeah, baby! and to think that, not so long ago, just mentioning GG here at PA was considered obscene. Good to see that some things have changed for good here!
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 10:36 |
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My man Wakeman, does this Six Wives of Henry VIII and Criminal Record sound like classic Yes? If so then I might really have to check them out. I love everyone from the Anderson, Howe, Squire, Wakeman, Bruford lineup of Yes. |
Those albums are entirely instrumental, which is why I love them so much. Rick's famous "symphonic" albums are Journey to the Centre of the Earth, and The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. I'm not sure if you'll like those. However, I strongly recommend the album Rick put out a few years back called Out There. That one featured Damian Wilson on lead vocals and was the best thing Rick had done in many years.
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Posted: August 03 2017 at 02:14 |
For King Crimon (KC) the first albums until red would be not too hard I guess, but I suggest listening to their recent shows. It seems a little lighter to take and then see which songs you like and which albums they originally come from. Mainly KC was for me just getting used to a lot of dissonance and distortion... As for ELP, adore their stuff! A lot of their songs have that typical classical feel. My favourites are The Endless Enigma, KE9 part (!)2(!), Tarkus obv., and yeah The Barbarian just rocks. Greg Lake is also my favourite singer (oh the first vocal part of Trilogy!). Though my very favourite band is Gentle Giant (with ELP and KC close behind), I guess that's my "obsession"? Oh and yeah Dream Theater is probably the most popular Prog-metal bands, very technical, complicated rhythms (not really compared to tech-metal bands though) and has a lot of energy, but for me it gets boring after a while. And copying is somewhat against the nature of progressive rock, why many don't appreciate for example Triumvirat and In The Wake Of Poseidon (and shhh Neo-prog as a complete genre but shhhhh you can't say that ;)
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 21:14 |
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Rick %$#^ Wakeman.. now you're speaking my language! Thanks a lot for the suggestions. |
If you want some input on Rick Wakeman, I might be able to help you there too. He's one of my very favourite artists (along with Yes, Pink Floyd, Mike Oldfield, and Dream Theater). |
I appreciate it buddy. I used to be into Floyd but are they truly considered prog? Dream Theater I keep hearing mentioned but don't know anything by them, and this Mike person same thing. I already know a lot about Yes(them and Genesis are literally my favorite prog bands). LOVE ELP and Gentle Giant too though!
My man Wakeman, does this Six Wives of Henry VIII and Criminal Record sound like classic Yes? If so then I might really have to check them out. I love everyone from the Anderson, Howe, Squire, Wakeman, Bruford lineup of Yes.
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 20:50 |
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Rick %$#^ Wakeman.. now you're speaking my language! Thanks a lot for the suggestions. | If you want some input on Rick Wakeman, I might be able to help you there too. He's one of my very favourite artists (along with Yes, Pink Floyd, Mike Oldfield, and Dream Theater).
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 18:35 |
Rick %$#^ Wakeman.. now you're speaking my language! Thanks a lot for the suggestions.
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 18:29 |
It's not a bad thing, per se. I simply prefer to listen to the three after it. More stellar ELP-inspired albums you need to check out: Ars Nova Fear and Anxiety Ars Nova Transi Ars Nova The Goddess of Darkness Ars Nova Book of the Dead Cherry Five self-titled Deja-Vu Baroque in the Future Gerard Pandora's Box Gerard Live at Marseilles Gerard/Ars Nova Keyboards Triangle Gerard Keyboards Triangle 2 Jaime Rosas Virgo Jaime Rosas Trio Extremos Motoi Sakuraba Gikyoku Onsou Social Tension MacBethia Trace self-titled Trace Birds U.K. Danger Money ...and if you haven't heard Rick Wakeman's Six Wives of Henry VIII, or Criminal Record...you need to!
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 16:32 |
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The fourth album, Old Loves Die Hard, is a winner! (The first record is simply too derivative of ELP.) |
And that's a bad thing?
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 16:30 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
Barbu wrote:
presdoug wrote:
I prefer Triumvirat. |
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I'm sure that's something I should know, but.. no clue. |
Predoug is our resident Triumvirat fanatic. If you like ELP definitely check them out. The first three albums are the best. |
Alright cool, thanks for the suggestion.
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 16:29 |
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Yeah Old Loves Die Hard has some great vocals by Barry Palmer
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Barry P..Palmer?? Now I gotta hear this album..
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 13:59 |
Yeah Old Loves Die Hard has some great vocals by Barry Palmer
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 13:52 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Predoug is our resident Triumvirat fanatic. If you like ELP definitely check them out. The first three albums are the best. |
The fourth album, Old Loves Die Hard, is a winner! (The first record is simply too derivative of ELP.)
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Posted: August 02 2017 at 12:35 |
YESESIS wrote:
Barbu wrote:
presdoug wrote:
I prefer Triumvirat. |
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I'm sure that's something I should know, but.. no clue. |
Predoug is our resident Triumvirat fanatic. If you like ELP definitely check them out. The first three albums are the best.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: August 01 2017 at 22:58 |
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The ELP with Cozy Powell album has too much echo on Lake's voice, especially as it is not needed, but it does contain a worthy oddity in The Score. |
I think it's a very underrated record. "The Score," "The Miracle," "Touch and Go," "Love Blind" and even "Step Aside" all rock my boat. |
Agreed...very overlooked. Back in my vinyl days it was one of those "side 1 only albums" for me...but what a great side 1!!! And I always thought the "Touch and Go" video was really cool too 
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Posted: August 01 2017 at 22:16 |
Dellinger wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
"As for the quintessential rock band... I'm mostly inclined to give the title to Yes, specially if the Fragile / CttE line-up is considered.."
Man after my own heart!
"As for King Crimson, you really can't call yourself a prog fan without knowing them.."
Yep I was afraid of that. Oh well, I'll have to start making myself like all their stuff now(or at least the essential stuff) like I did with Gentle Giant. Watch, then there'll be some other band that's now the 'acid test' of true prog fandom. And it'll be like this album of literally nothing but random, obnoxious noises. But if you 'can't get into it' or 'find it too challenging' then you're not a 'true prog fan.' No, I'm obviously joking around. But thanks for the suggestion and your input on ELP. I'll get to all those other prog bands later.. going to concentrate on King Crimson now. I listened to some of Red but wasn't liking it, I'll try again though. Plus those other 3 albums.. Poseidon, Lizard, Lark's. Then when I get to where I love those 4 albums maybe it'll lead to wanting to explore them even further.. But anyway it sounds like those are the one that are essential.
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Well, of course you don't have to like King Crimson to be a true prog fan, but you should know them. And yes, you should give them a fair chance before dismissing them anyway. Red is one of Crimson's most beloved albums, but it did take me long to like it... still I wouldn't say it's their best. I guess you can see an important change in their musical style compared to the debut (still my favourite from them). However, you might want to focus on the song Red and on Starless. Red should be the easiest to love, but I do like better live versions from the double trio (90's version of the band with two guitars, to bass players, and two drummers, plus one of the guitars is the singer too), or the currently touring band also plays it wonderfully (with three drummes and sax added to the line-up... and by the way, if King Crimson are still going anywhere near you, you should make sure to catch a show, it's one of the best you are bound so see in your life). Starless is one of the most beloved songs in PA from any band, so it might not be so easy to love as red, but it's likely it will have the most lasting impression... though I particularly like better the live version from the previous tours to the Red album, while David Cross was still with the band and they still played that song with violin (I heard that version first, from the live album I recommended of Collectable Vol 1, and for me the main theme of that song was made to be played with a violin, which the studio version changed for guitar). Fallen Angel and One More Red Nightmare took me longer to like, and still are not among my very favourite Crimson songs, but they do are enjoyable, specially for Brufords magnificent drumming. Providence is just a lost case for me anyway. |
Cool I like that album a lot too. That's the one album by them that I do know, but I'm working on the others slowly but surely. So far I don't like them but that could change.. I didn't like Gentle Giant at first either(seemed too bizarre), but now I love them.
Sounds like you know a lot about KC so I appreciate your knowledge and input. |
Yeah, it's happened to me too... finding the music too weird at first and not understanding it. Many times with prog. But I guess the most notorious was with Yes, Fragile and CttE... I had already gotten to know and love some prog (Focus, Rick Wakeman, Pink Floyd), but this was the first band I got into knowing they were Prog, and what prog was. And indeed the albums sounded too weird, and I just didn't find the melodies easily... but there was something that made me come back again and again, listen to them over and over. I would find the bass heavy middle section of "Roundabout" interesting and cool, and listen to that song because of that. Or the middle piano section of "South Side of the Sky" so beautiful. Or the organ "I get Up, I get Down" section of "Close to the Edge"... and actually the whole "And you and I"... and then I would just love the albums, and go on getting the next ones. More recently it happened with Van Der Graaf Generator (and many others). With Pink Floyd it was mostly the other way around, finding their music too dull and slow, or whatever... but when the melodies stuck in my mind and can relate to them, they are were the best (then I got into earlier Pink Floyd, and then they would be weird too). And yeah, I might know enough from King Crimson... but I don't even have all their studio albums... but I have filled the gap with live albums including songs from those albums I don't have. |
Yeah CTTE I didn't like the first time I heard it either. I had 90125 and people said, oh you gotta get Close to the Edge and Fragile.. basically along the lines of 'you're not a true fan if you don't have that early proggy stuff.' The same thing happened with Genesis btw(I had the self-titled album and people weren't satisfied until I got the earlier Gabriel stuff). So I was kind of forced into prog by the 'real' fans of the 80's stuff I was already listening to at the time. But anyway, you mentioned Van der Graaf Generator.. I'm sort of trying to get into them as well now(seem to be big on this forum). I listened to The least we can do.. and it was very just ok imo. But then I really liked the second song on Pawn Hearts. The organ along with whatever that distortion is was pretty kick ass. So not sure what to think of them so far. But yeah.. Crimson idk, I've listened to Red and 'Larks' a couple times each now and it's good. Both are very heavy.. and then become much more mellow.. and some interesting instruments and stuff, but it's not classic Yes lol. It's good but didn't blow me away basically. So I gave them a chance.. just, idk.. good but definitely not my favorite.
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Posted: August 01 2017 at 21:23 |
YESESIS wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
YESESIS wrote:
"As for the quintessential rock band... I'm mostly inclined to give the title to Yes, specially if the Fragile / CttE line-up is considered.."
Man after my own heart!
"As for King Crimson, you really can't call yourself a prog fan without knowing them.."
Yep I was afraid of that. Oh well, I'll have to start making myself like all their stuff now(or at least the essential stuff) like I did with Gentle Giant. Watch, then there'll be some other band that's now the 'acid test' of true prog fandom. And it'll be like this album of literally nothing but random, obnoxious noises. But if you 'can't get into it' or 'find it too challenging' then you're not a 'true prog fan.' No, I'm obviously joking around. But thanks for the suggestion and your input on ELP. I'll get to all those other prog bands later.. going to concentrate on King Crimson now. I listened to some of Red but wasn't liking it, I'll try again though. Plus those other 3 albums.. Poseidon, Lizard, Lark's. Then when I get to where I love those 4 albums maybe it'll lead to wanting to explore them even further.. But anyway it sounds like those are the one that are essential.
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Well, of course you don't have to like King Crimson to be a true prog fan, but you should know them. And yes, you should give them a fair chance before dismissing them anyway. Red is one of Crimson's most beloved albums, but it did take me long to like it... still I wouldn't say it's their best. I guess you can see an important change in their musical style compared to the debut (still my favourite from them). However, you might want to focus on the song Red and on Starless. Red should be the easiest to love, but I do like better live versions from the double trio (90's version of the band with two guitars, to bass players, and two drummers, plus one of the guitars is the singer too), or the currently touring band also plays it wonderfully (with three drummes and sax added to the line-up... and by the way, if King Crimson are still going anywhere near you, you should make sure to catch a show, it's one of the best you are bound so see in your life). Starless is one of the most beloved songs in PA from any band, so it might not be so easy to love as red, but it's likely it will have the most lasting impression... though I particularly like better the live version from the previous tours to the Red album, while David Cross was still with the band and they still played that song with violin (I heard that version first, from the live album I recommended of Collectable Vol 1, and for me the main theme of that song was made to be played with a violin, which the studio version changed for guitar). Fallen Angel and One More Red Nightmare took me longer to like, and still are not among my very favourite Crimson songs, but they do are enjoyable, specially for Brufords magnificent drumming. Providence is just a lost case for me anyway. |
Cool I like that album a lot too. That's the one album by them that I do know, but I'm working on the others slowly but surely. So far I don't like them but that could change.. I didn't like Gentle Giant at first either(seemed too bizarre), but now I love them.
Sounds like you know a lot about KC so I appreciate your knowledge and input. | Yeah, it's happened to me too... finding the music too weird at first and not understanding it. Many times with prog. But I guess the most notorious was with Yes, Fragile and CttE... I had already gotten to know and love some prog (Focus, Rick Wakeman, Pink Floyd), but this was the first band I got into knowing they were Prog, and what prog was. And indeed the albums sounded too weird, and I just didn't find the melodies easily... but there was something that made me come back again and again, listen to them over and over. I would find the bass heavy middle section of "Roundabout" interesting and cool, and listen to that song because of that. Or the middle piano section of "South Side of the Sky" so beautiful. Or the organ "I get Up, I get Down" section of "Close to the Edge"... and actually the whole "And you and I"... and then I would just love the albums, and go on getting the next ones. More recently it happened with Van Der Graaf Generator (and many others). With Pink Floyd it was mostly the other way around, finding their music too dull and slow, or whatever... but when the melodies stuck in my mind and can relate to them, they are were the best (then I got into earlier Pink Floyd, and then they would be weird too). And yeah, I might know enough from King Crimson... but I don't even have all their studio albums... but I have filled the gap with live albums including songs from those albums I don't have.
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Posted: August 01 2017 at 19:41 |
Boy you all know your stuff here, right on. I can see I've come to the right place.
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