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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:59 |
 Ricochet wrote:
And to correct something he said,I did not start this argument,he did by calling men smarter... |
Of course the situation would not have escalated like that if noone had replied to this foolish statement ... but "don't feed the troll" is a rule that's easy to forget.
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:56 |
fandango wrote:
I can completely understand what you are saying Riccy, because I
know he has bated you more than anyone else, but I believe that
everyone's entitled to a second chance, once the facts have been spelt
out to him...if he abuses the second chance, then he's a fool.
To be honest, I had a talking to (or, you could say a writing to...)
about something wholly inappropriate I did, a couple of months ago, but
I didn't get booted out, and am grateful...
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Yes,I can say I was one of his main targets in debate when he said yes
and I said no or vice-versa...Everyone needs a second chance...He
should think over this period that he is banned and if he return to
change his atitude...
And to correct something he said,I did not start this argument,he did by calling men smarter...
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Jared
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:52 |
Ricochet wrote:
fandango wrote:
maani wrote:
gdub:
In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines. Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups.
Peace.
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if the facts of the matter are made plain to him, and he in time demonstrates some form of contrition, would you agree that he should be given a second opportunity, now he realises that the site isn't a free-for-all?
After all, Flowerchild was given a second chance, against the better judgement of most site users..and his behaviour was significantly more unpleasant..
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What guarantee do we have?I don't think a gesture of ban can change a person's mentality,especially Luke's...
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I can completely understand what you are saying Riccy, because I know he has bated you more than anyone else, but I believe that everyone's entitled to a second chance, once the facts have been spelt out to him...if he abuses the second chance, then he's a fool.
To be honest, I had a talking to (or, you could say a writing to...) about something wholly inappropriate I did, a couple of months ago, but I didn't get booted out, and am grateful...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:48 |
gdub411 wrote:
fandango wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
maani wrote:
gdub:
In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines. Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups.
Peace.
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There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani.
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hey, steady on Gdub...there was really no need.....
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Yeah,,,perhaps I should be booted out,,,eh?
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I'd really hope not, Gdub...the site would be all the poorer for your absence...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:44 |
Oh dear,another conflict...  
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gdub411
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:43 |
fandango wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
maani wrote:
gdub:
In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines. Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups.
Peace.
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There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani.
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hey, steady on Gdub...there was really no need.....
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Yeah,,,perhaps I should be booted out,,,eh?
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:40 |
fandango wrote:
maani wrote:
gdub:
In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as
well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are
violations of the site guidelines. Indeed, his actions drew the
attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on
both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost
the entire admin and collab groups.
Peace.
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if the facts of the matter are made plain to him, and he in
time demonstrates some form of contrition, would you agree that he
should be given a second opportunity, now he realises that the site
isn't a free-for-all?
After all, Flowerchild was given a second chance, against the better
judgement of most site users..and his behaviour was significantly
more unpleasant.. |
What guarantee do we have?I don't think a gesture of ban can change a person's mentality,especially Luke's...
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Jared
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:39 |
gdub411 wrote:
maani wrote:
gdub:
In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines. Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups.
Peace.
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There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani.
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hey, steady on Gdub...there was really no need.....
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:38 |
maani wrote:
gdub:
In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines. Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups.
Peace.
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if the facts of the matter are made plain to him, and he in time demonstrates some form of contrition, would you agree that he should be given a second opportunity, now he realises that the site isn't a free-for-all?
After all, Flowerchild was given a second chance, against the better judgement of most site users..and his behaviour was significantly more unpleasant..
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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gdub411
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:35 |
maani wrote:
gdub:
In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines. Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups.
Peace.
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There will NEVER be any peace between you and I Maani.
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maani
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:32 |
gdub:
In fact, Luke did in fact use an enormous amount of vulgarity, as well as engaging in continual personal attack, both of which are violations of the site guidelines. Indeed, his actions drew the attention of both the admin and collabs, and I ejected him based on both his own unrepentant obnoxiousness and the recommendation of almost the entire admin and collab groups.
Peace.
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gdub411
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:08 |
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As far as this topic goes its not whether woman are smarter or not or we're all just big nerds. I blame it on women's affinity towards pop culture. They are exposed to it at an early age and even encouraged to indulge in it and therefore just do not relate to something so counter- culture like progressive rock.
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:04 |
maani wrote:
I'm not so sure that Hogarth is entirely correct. I went to see The Church recently and the audience was about 25% women, maybe more. Same at the last Yes concert I attended. Same with Floyd.
However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall. Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value.
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I guess it's easy to say women like love songs and men like songs about wizards and spaceships. I guess it all depends on how you are 'wired up' as an individual.
I find good prog rock extremely emotional, the intellectual side of it is secondary. But then what I find emotional is not what the 'masses' find emotional. There are few 'love songs' I like, and the ones I do will be a bit 'odd'
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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gdub411
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:04 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
I read this thread and while I thought Luke is/was a bit of a w**ker I fail to see why he was thrown out. He may have walked the line a bit, but he didn't cross it IMO. Just more abusive power being demonstrated by the admins here. |
You didn't read the other threads, did you?
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I have read some of the other threads and he's a bit of an antagonist, but he didn't show pics of penis's, threaten to kill people , or fill his posts with tons of vulgarity.
I have been naughtier than Luke in the past as well as VC and Tony R. We're still all here. This place has become too sensitive and people need to develop thicker skin.
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Bob Greece
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:02 |
maani wrote:
However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall. Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value.
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You're right that women seem to be more in touch with emotions. As to men being more intellectual, the postings on this thread indicate the opposite.
I was thinking that a few women prog fans would give an answer in this thread but it seems that there aren't any here!
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Jared
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 10:00 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
I read this thread and while I thought Luke is/was a bit of a w**ker I fail to see why he was thrown out. He may have walked the line a bit, but he didn't cross it IMO. Just more abusive power being demonstrated by the admins here. |
You didn't read the other threads, did you?
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all the same, I hope he's given a second chance in due course, after a bit of a talking too...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 09:57 |
gdub411 wrote:
I read this thread and while I thought Luke is/was a bit of a w**ker I fail to see why he was thrown out. He may have walked the line a bit, but he didn't cross it IMO. Just more abusive power being demonstrated by the admins here. |
You didn't read the other threads, did you?
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 09:57 |
gdub411 wrote:
I read this thread and while I thought Luke is/was a bit
of a w**ker I fail to see why he was thrown out. He may have walked the
line a bit, but he didn't cross it IMO. Just more abusive power being
demonstrated by the admins here. |
He walked it for the 50th time...Just watch every of the topics he
posted,he was arguing with everybody who was not sharing his
opinion,making him nut or crazy...
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Jared
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 09:57 |
maani wrote:
I'm not so sure that Hogarth is entirely correct. I went to see The Church recently and the audience was about 25% women, maybe more. Same at the last Yes concert I attended. Same with Floyd.
However, if Hogarth is correct in any way, and men take to prog more than women, it may not be a matter of "smarter," but rather that women tend to be more in touch with "emotion" while men tend to be more "intellectual" - overall. Thus, music like prog - which has its "emotional" side but is still largely "intellectual" is nature - will necessarily appeal more to men, while women will be more drawn to music that has a more prevalent "emotional" value.
Peace.
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in other words...most prog music stimulates different parts of the brain to Barry White...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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gdub411
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Posted: September 05 2005 at 09:53 |
I read this thread and while I thought Luke is/was a bit of a w**ker I fail to see why he was thrown out. He may have walked the line a bit, but he didn't cross it IMO. Just more abusive power being demonstrated by the admins here.
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