The American Politics Thread

^ Yeah, I saw that campaign bus that said "No Malarkey" in big letters. Who the hell says malarkey any more.

^ Its called charisma, trump has it, so does Bernie Sanders. Also Obama, Reagan, Bill Clinton and George W, but not George Sr.

I feel like Harris was given a poison chalice when Biden made her the face of his immigration policy. There's just no way that any Democrat with that portfolio could please anyone.

Atavachron wrote: Easy Money wrote: The wild card for 2024 is Adam Kinzinger, a conservative repub who does not want trump back in the white house. I believe a big reason he is not running for the house again is because he wants to concentrate on stopping trump in 2024. If Liz Cheney loses her seat because of trump, then there is a good chance you will see what's left of the Bush/Cheney group to go against trump as well. We shall see. I'd actually consider voting for Kinzinger, even if Biden or Harris runs.   The man won my everlasting respect with a fireworks display of integrity we rarely see in politics... or in business or academia or journalism.   Cheney too for that matter.   If conservatives like that run for the nomination they'll be Trump's [or his toady whoever that ends up being] biggest problem, and would likely beat Biden/Harris or any other dem for Prez.

Yes, he is a bright glimmer of hope right now and I think he is determined to bring trump down. Lets hope he can do it. Right now I'm pretty much okay with anyone being president from any party, just not trump or any of trump's boot licks either.

Edited by Atavachron - November 03 2021 at 15:18

Lewian wrote: Atavachron wrote: And what of old man Joe, certainly lucid but a few steps away from a stroke with an unpopular Harris behind him?   What's wrong with Harris? (Asking as European without any clue...)

I think she comes across as kind of cold, also sort of opportunistic and self serving. I don't think people hate her, but I've never known anyone to be particularly enthusiastic about her. I don't think she really stands for anything issue wise.

^ Both Obama and trump could unify their party, but there are too many dems these days with lofty ideals who will not get with the majority dems and Joe and Nancy are losing their ability to rope them in.

Atavachron wrote: What today's elections show is what we've traditionally seen: the true majority of voters state-to-state are moderate, often conservative, and basically want their communities to be well and their kids to be safe.   The Dems need to more deeply grasp this or continue to inexplicably lose to Trump republicans in '24.   It's not so much about politics as it is about schools, crime, jobs and first responders.   Abortion & gun laws may be hot issues but not immediate ones.   It ain't rocket science.

True, democrats are doing their best to make sure trump will be back, possibly with a repub congress and senate.
Democrats seem to show no understanding of the concerns of working families. It was trump's pathetic response to covid that put the democrats back in power with the backing of suburban moms, but the dems are losing touch with that base now.
Liberals don't know how to fight trump because they let trump define the parameters while the libs go on the defensive. The only people who can stop trump are those conservatives who know he is corrupt. Will they stand up and fight him, we will see.

Atavachron wrote: ^ No, I wouldn't.   I don't think it's that complex or political.   If Dems had said "we support parents and cops and firefighters" instead of "we support politicians and vaccines and climate", they might've gotten it right.

So that means they could still turn it around in the mid terms if they just got the message right.